U.K. Copyright Lawyer Quits Over Death Threats

Andy Chalk

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U.K. Copyright Lawyer Quits Over Death Threats


Andrew Crossley of ACS: Law, a U.K.-based law firm which sent out letters threatening thousands of alleged file-sharers with lawsuits if they didn't cough up £500 ($790), is walking away from the cases after receiving "death threats and bomb threats."

ACS: Law has been the subject of considerable controversy since it began sending out letters to alleged file-sharers on behalf of its client MediaCAT. A U.K. consumer group says innocent people have been caught up in the campaign, while some ISPs are refusing to cooperate with the law firm's demands for customer details. 26 cases files by ACS: Law are currently being looked at by the London patent court but now Crossley, who is in fact the firm's only registered lawyer, says he's walking away from it all.

"I have ceased my work... I have been subject to criminal attack. My e-mails have been hacked. I have had death threats and bomb threats," he said in a statement read to the court by MediaCAT lawyer Tim Ludbrook. "It has caused immense hassle to me and my family."

But a bigger problem for Crossley, and possibly a bigger motivation for his departure, is that people who have been targeted by the ACS: Law campaign may be able to pursue the firm for harassment. "It can be incredibly upsetting for people to receive these letters and they may well have a claim in harassment," said Michael Forrester of the law firm Ralli, which represents some of the defendants in the current case. ACS: Law's methods have also been criticized by groups like the British Phonographic Institute.

Crossley said in his statement that despite critics who claimed he simply wanted to threaten people into paying him off, he fully intended to litigate cases that weren't settled. But his client, MediaCAT, wants to drop the whole thing and has actually sent out notices to defendants telling them so. The judge in the matter said it wouldn't be quite so simple, however, and expressed curiosity about why the company was suddenly so eager to let things slide. "I am getting the impression with every twist and turn since I started looking at these cases that there is a desire to avoid any judicial scrutiny," he said.

Meanwhile, another law firm, CGB Ltd., has begun sending similar letters to people including one of the defendants who had received a letter from MediaCAT telling him the action had been dropped. The judge said he was considering prohibiting MediaCAT from sending any further letters to anyone until all issues in the matter had been resolved, in part because Crossley said in his statement that there would be no further correspondence with defendants and that CGB Ltd. had also stopped working on the cases. CGB Ltd. was founded by former employees of ASC: Law.

Source: BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12253746]


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You do wonder if there's a real difference between a bomb threat and a death threat.

And given the hyperbole regularly engaged in over the 'net, whether this was just business as usual. It's not like it's the first time a lawyer will have been threatened.
 

The Diabolical Biz

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That'll learn 'em!

But seriously it's corporate bullying - 'Give us you're money because we're in a suit and court is quite scary isn't it'
 

Canid117

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As horrible as death threats are I must say they stopped an equally reprehensible campaign of legal blackmail.
 

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We have those scam artist law firms in Germany too, even a few dogs have gotten these "you dl this and that file pay us money or well sue" threats.
There are simple templates for letters to counter those claims though, so you don't need a lawyer to counter the bullies.
Don't know how well people are protected in the UK though.
 

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Alleged file sharers? So they sending threatening letters and demanding money from people that may or may not have shared their family vacation videos or the latest harry potter flick.

Does not excuse people threatening bodily harm to the guy, but a hefty does of counter lawsuits would have been a nice way to go about challenging the whole legality of intimidating people that may be innocent.
 

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So now creators are gonna start being afraid/hesitant to protect their work, since the lawyers are gonna start receiving death and bomb threats. This piracy thing is getting way out of hand. When will people realize that piracy does nothing but harm the creator and damage sales? And now the pirates are actually threatening physical violence if lawyers are called in to arbitrate?

I'm sorry, but this is just going too far.
 

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cerebus23 said:
Alleged file sharers? So they sending threatening letters and demanding money from people that may or may not have shared their family vacation videos or the latest harry potter flick.

Does not excuse people threatening bodily harm to the guy, but a hefty does of counter lawsuits would have been a nice way to go about challenging the whole legality of intimidating people that may be innocent.
Rember that the law is not identical in every country. Things we take for granted aren't the same elsewhere.
 

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Canid117 said:
As horrible as death threats are I must say they stopped an equally reprehensible campaign of legal blackmail.
I have trouble buying death threats as equally reprehensible as "blackmail."

Plus, it didn't stop it.
 

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cerebus23 said:
Alleged file sharers? So they sending threatening letters and demanding money from people that may or may not have shared their family vacation videos or the latest harry potter flick.

Does not excuse people threatening bodily harm to the guy, but a hefty does of counter lawsuits would have been a nice way to go about challenging the whole legality of intimidating people that may be innocent.
Yeah. In fact, I've heard of only two groups who actually like pirating their stuff: Disturbed and ZUN.
 

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Meh, I have very little sympathy from these corporate bullies.
I remember once I came home from a stressful day and I got a call from a bill collector and the lady started threatening me saying she was going to ruin my life if I didn't fork over money, that my wife would leave me and my kids would be destitute and just started insulting me by calling me a deadbeat and the scum of the world. I was like wtf, I don't owe anyone any money, ended up she misdialed the number. Just hung up, no apology nothing. I called the number back, and demanded to talk to a supervisor. Supervisor comes after like 20 minutes of waiting, I tell him what was said, he asks whether or not I was the person in question who owed the money, I said no. He told me to mind my own business and hung up.
I of course was enraged and called back several times, guy hung up every time, 3rd time he said that if I kept calling he would have me arrested and sued for harassment.

It is complete bs that these kinda of companies can treat people so poorly and not be held accountable at all.
 

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Scappo said:
So now creators are gonna start being afraid/hesitant to protect their work, since the lawyers are gonna start receiving death and bomb threats. This piracy thing is getting way out of hand. When will people realize that piracy does nothing but harm the creator and damage sales? And now the pirates are actually threatening physical violence if lawyers are called in to arbitrate?

I'm sorry, but this is just going too far.
If it's so damaging then why are actors still paid millions of dollars for something that barely qualifies as work? Don't buy into the propaganda, product placement, corporate sponsorship etc are far more valuable than DVD sales. The film industry is never going to collapse due to piracy, nor will the music industry. My understanding is that most bands revenue comes from tours, with record companies taking the lion's share of record sales and in my opinion, if the record companies go down, all these Disney 'musicians' and manufactured talentless acts will cease to be, and the real talent will get a chance. Download all you can and rejoice
 

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Well like with choosing Repo as a profession, you have to know full well people will see you as scum of the earth. You have to be prepared to be treated as such.
 

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And now watch as everyone condones it.

I had a big long post sey out but I'll just reference the thread where half the posters rejoiced in the death of a guy because he tried to mug someone, and say that people need to get themselves a little perspective before they start "sticking it to the man".

No, these guys should not have been sending fines to people they weren't sure were file-sharers, that doesn't justify sending bloody death threats.
 

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vxicepickxv said:
cerebus23 said:
Alleged file sharers? So they sending threatening letters and demanding money from people that may or may not have shared their family vacation videos or the latest harry potter flick.

Does not excuse people threatening bodily harm to the guy, but a hefty does of counter lawsuits would have been a nice way to go about challenging the whole legality of intimidating people that may be innocent.
Rember that the law is not identical in every country. Things we take for granted aren't the same elsewhere.
Indeed. Counter lawsuits? what good would they do? In the U.K the loser pays all legal fees, so for individuals to tip up with their crappy lawyers against a specialised law firm would be utterly without effect.

If the company thinks it can't win it wouldn't threaten court at all, which is what's happening here.
The service they used to get names and address of 'file sharers' was provably getting things wrong. Now that there's large protest group specifically against them with evidence they fingered the wrong people the threats suddenly go away.

That's what works here, consumer protection groups not lawyers. Mass lobbying rather than pooling your pennies for one good representing lawer.