Are Psychedelic Drugs Good for You? (Kirby + Aldous Huxley)
Are psychedelic drugs good for you?
Watch Video
Are psychedelic drugs good for you?
Watch Video
Well, you are missing a point that was made. The idea behind "ego-loss" is to remove all pre-convinced motions that are created by your subconscious and to see things how we would never see them as. Let take a knife for an example, most will associated it to be a weapon, tool, cooking utensil, gray, sliver, black and so forth but lets say a tripper would see it to be a key, a reflection of ones self or third hand. The former example are words, descriptions of what we are taught of what it is and how it applies to us in daily life but the latter is spontaneous thinking. Your views are quite pragmatic.kimiyoribaka said:I can see how experiencing being ego-less can be a very invigorating thing and can clear the mind of many of life's doubts. However, I very much doubt that doing so actually gives anyone a better understanding of the universe. I've heard of many things that people claim will give a realization of an objects real essence or beauty or whatever, including just trying to draw it over and over, but they're usually just changing how an individual looks at the object from one subjective view to another equally subjective view.
Just a quick note, but the word you're looking for is "notion".mad825 said:Well, you are missing a point that was made. The idea behind "ego-loss" is to remove all pre-convinced motions
true enough but he does state "Psychedelic Drugs" which they are not. were talking about LSD mescaline acid that sort of thing. so perhaps reading the title and responding to the actual issue rather than writing your stump speech might be a thing /shrugmedv4380 said:Alcohol, a perfectly legal drug has destroyed far too many lives. Alcohol is a great antiseptic, and perfectly fine when used in a medical setting for treatment. There is certainly a case to be made for MJ, but it's not that people become better people when they take it. Rather like Alcohol it has legitimate medical uses, and it's effects aren't nearly as bad as other pain killers on the market today. Lets not pretend, or suppress the fact that both Alcohol and MJ will inhibit your ability to stop yourself from driving a car, and lets not pretend that they're not going to increase the risk of you creating an accident. The last thing anyone needs is to have a "bad trip" with the higher end hallucinogens while driving, and because it ain't just poor reaction speed like Alcohol and MJ will cause, but rather "hey monster" causing you to swerve into oncoming traffic isn't going to be worse over all. Ignoring, and suppressing facts that run counter to your "philosophical" argument creates a fallacious argument.
I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
Sugar? Yes, or at least put substantial restrictions on it.tzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
Tobacco? Yestzimize said:Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that?
Is that a question? I don't consider knives to be nearly as harmful to society as the above products, especially in a nation like the United States where it's so easy to get guns. Anyway, in my state it's illegal to carry a knife more than 3 inches long in public and I'm fine with that.[/quote]tzimize said:What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives?
When the harm that something causes outways the benefits.tzimize said:Where the hell do you draw the line?
I don't believe anyone in this thread is arguing that they should single handedly write all the laws themselves. That's what elected officials are for.tzimize said:And why should YOU be the one to draw it?
Then say what they are. Perhaps some of them should be legal.tzimize said:I would like some personal freedom. There are plenty illegal narcotics that are a lot less dangerous than tobacco and alchohol, and still they are illegal.
Ya, so? There are places where it is and soon it will be everywhere. If the only freedom you want is the freedom to get high then you have my sympathy, poor persecuted stoner, but you'll get your way soon enough.tzimize said:There are plenty of different kinds of narcotics, used for VERY different reasons. Smoking a bowl or eating a hash brownie a friday night should be just as legal as drinking half a bottle of wine.
You've got to be kidding me. Really? Aside from the dramatically different sample sizes of people who get married vs people who regularly do recreational drugs, you have to weigh the potential harm of something with the BENEFITS. Car accidents probably kill more people every day than all the drugs in the world combined several times over. The difference is most people living outside a major city depend on automobiles all the time for daily life. Now I'm no fan of marriage myself, but don't tell me that people's freedom to get fucked up on LSD is as necessary as the ability to drive an automobile.People do harmful things all the time. Hell, LOVE is probably one of the most harmful things there are. How many murders havent been made in a jealous rage, should we outlaw marriage? I wouldnt be surprised if marriage has killed more people than LSD or marihuana.
tzimize said:I wish people had enough common sense to think for themselves and not blatantly make harmful posts so there would be no need to debate them.
Harmful, adjectivetzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?
I would like some personal freedom. There are plenty illegal narcotics that are a lot less dangerous than tobacco and alchohol, and still they are illegal.
There are plenty of different kinds of narcotics, used for VERY different reasons. Smoking a bowl or eating a hash brownie a friday night should be just as legal as drinking half a bottle of wine.
What about LSD for example? Why should it be illegal? It is not in any way addictive, and the body builds up resistance to it very fast so its actually impossible to "binge" it. Why would you be against legalizing it?
People do harmful things all the time. Hell, LOVE is probably one of the most harmful things there are. How many murders havent been made in a jealous rage, should we outlaw marriage? I wouldnt be surprised if marriage has killed more people than LSD or marihuana.
People do drugs for 2 reasons. Recreation/relaxation or self medication. Neither of these needs to be outlawed. Outlawing drugs accomplishes 2 things.
1: Filling up prisons and ruining lives of people who ventured a bit outside the norm and ate a hash brownie at some party, and thus introducing them for real to the criminal element...it can be hard to get out of such an environment again
2: Stigmatizing people who are already lowest on the social ladder. The ones using the hardest drugs are often victims of abuse of some kind. What do these people need? The condemnation of society? Prison? No. They need help. Prison or fines doesnt help, and neither is it a deterrent for people struggling with serious pshychological trauma.
I wish people had enough common sense to think for themselves and not blatantly make harmful posts so there would be no need to debate them.
I have three friends in mental institutions and two that are dead from drugs. I would be fine if this didn't affect me emotionally and financially, but it does. I keep paying my taxes not because I want drug enforcement but I don't want any of those guys out of any mental institutions. (One day one turn up at my door - its the scariest thing that ever happened to me, and I had neighbours threaten physical abuse to me before).tzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
Strictly speaking you pay taxes because you dont have any say in the matter But that's another discussion.trunkage said:I have three friends in mental institutions and two that are dead from drugs. I would be fine if this didn't affect me emotionally and financially, but it does. I keep paying my taxes not because I want drug enforcement but I don't want any of those guys out of any mental institutions. (One day one turn up at my door - its the scariest thing that ever happened to me, and I had neighbours threaten physical abuse to me before).tzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
They're decisions affect me, and I haven't seen them in five year. Just like sugar affects me as it makes all my hospital visits dear, irrelevant of whether its paid by the government or through private actors.
PS I also lost my dad to tobacco. But his cancer was short lived and mostly paid by him, so I find that more acceptable.
If someone murder someone else (generally) they will pay by going to jail.tzimize said:trunkage said:I have three friends in mental institutions and two that are dead from drugs. I would be fine if this didn't affect me emotionally and financially, but it does. I keep paying my taxes not because I want drug enforcement but I don't want any of those guys out of any mental institutions. (One day one turn up at my door - its the scariest thing that ever happened to me, and I had neighbours threaten physical abuse to me before).tzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
They're decisions affect me, and I haven't seen them in five year. Just like sugar affects me as it makes all my hospital visits dear, irrelevant of whether its paid by the government or through private actors.
PS I also lost my dad to tobacco. But his cancer was short lived and mostly paid by him, so I find that more acceptable.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. In the same vein I am a supporter of different taxes on different products. Alchohol, tobacco, sugar and similarly harmful substances should be taxed heavily enough to pay for a lot of the healthproblems involved. While healthy products, fruit/vegetables should enjoy tax benefits. That way promoting healthy living, while not actually forbidding people from eating a chocolate or drinking a soda if they really want to.trunkage said:If someone murder someone else (generally) they will pay by going to jail.tzimize said:trunkage said:I have three friends in mental institutions and two that are dead from drugs. I would be fine if this didn't affect me emotionally and financially, but it does. I keep paying my taxes not because I want drug enforcement but I don't want any of those guys out of any mental institutions. (One day one turn up at my door - its the scariest thing that ever happened to me, and I had neighbours threaten physical abuse to me before).tzimize said:Silly statement. Define harmful. Do you want to forbid sugar? Fast food? Its not in any way healthy, and plenty of people have very serious health issues stemming from it. What about tobacco and alchohol? Want to forbid that? What about knives? People do a lot of bad stuff with knives? Where the hell do you draw the line? And why should YOU be the one to draw it?Strazdas said:I wish people had enough common sense to not do blatantly harmful things so there would be no need to make them illegal.tzimize said:I wish everything wasnt so fucking illegal and that we could actually choose how to live our own lives :|
They're decisions affect me, and I haven't seen them in five year. Just like sugar affects me as it makes all my hospital visits dear, irrelevant of whether its paid by the government or through private actors.
PS I also lost my dad to tobacco. But his cancer was short lived and mostly paid by him, so I find that more acceptable.
Part of the taxes I pay, pay for some idiot who shouldn't be using it as it destroys their mind. Also notice that I didn't say anything about legality. I don't want to pay for someone else mistake (looking at you TARP/financial sector and HEMP/housing sector) I understand that no one can know who that would be before they use it, so I have a different proposal. Legalise it, then put a levy on each sale to which goes into a pool which will fund most of the health problems caused by any drug (health promotion could come from here too). Most government do this for cigarettes and alcohol but they don't put it into a separate fund for this purpose.
This means it doesn't affect me, and idiots can do what they want