Way to over simplify things, conservative does not equal "bad" and it does not mean you're homophobic, rich, or crave wealth, that's just daft.Mid Boss said:I wonder if we crave fascism because we think WE will be the ones on top. That it's ok because we're just one lucky break or grand idea away from joining the elite. For example, voting conservative generally means you're homophobic or rich. But plenty of poor people vote conservative, even if they don't hate homosexuals. Hey tax breaks for the rich? Removal of social programs? Repressed wages? That's all well and good because I'll be rich soon and that all will be awesome when I'm rich. I just need that lucky break or grand idea to rise above all these poor people I'm clearly better than. That these grand ideas and lucky breaks never seem to happen doesn't deter them at all. Much like the people who play the lottery spending 500 dollars on tickets and then winning 300 dollars. The focus on that 300 dollar gain and celebrate how great the lottery is! Ignoring or simply unaware that they're actually down 200 bucks. But that's ok. One more win and I'll be in the black again. Except the whole system is designed for them to fail and most never make it into the black and almost no one stays there.
But we keep trying because we're just one win away from being the exception to the rule! Then all these things set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer will benefit ME and that will be awesome!
I keep reading my post but I don't see anywhere where I said they were "bad". Conservative selling points are lower taxes on the rich, higher taxes on everyone else. Low or non-existent minimum wage because it's not the government's place to tell employers how much to pay their workers. Abolishment of social programs because it's not the government's job to make sure you can eat and afford housing. And you simply can't even pretend that they don't hate homosexuals because they sure as hell don't. Voting for this party means you believe in some if not all of these statues. So if you do not join them in hating homosexuals then you must believe strongly in their economic plans. Plans that affect everyone who's not rich adversely and since I personally haven't met anyone who needed Food Stamps to afford food but doesn't agree that food stamps should exist. It logical to conclude that they think food stamps should be abolished.... after they personally don't need them to survive. That these changes would be good.... when they themselves aren't negatively affected by them.inmunitas said:Way to over simplify things, conservative does not equal "bad" and it does not mean you're homophobic, rich, or crave wealth, that's just daft.Mid Boss said:I wonder if we crave fascism because we think WE will be the ones on top. That it's ok because we're just one lucky break or grand idea away from joining the elite. For example, voting conservative generally means you're homophobic or rich. But plenty of poor people vote conservative, even if they don't hate homosexuals. Hey tax breaks for the rich? Removal of social programs? Repressed wages? That's all well and good because I'll be rich soon and that all will be awesome when I'm rich. I just need that lucky break or grand idea to rise above all these poor people I'm clearly better than. That these grand ideas and lucky breaks never seem to happen doesn't deter them at all. Much like the people who play the lottery spending 500 dollars on tickets and then winning 300 dollars. The focus on that 300 dollar gain and celebrate how great the lottery is! Ignoring or simply unaware that they're actually down 200 bucks. But that's ok. One more win and I'll be in the black again. Except the whole system is designed for them to fail and most never make it into the black and almost no one stays there.
But we keep trying because we're just one win away from being the exception to the rule! Then all these things set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer will benefit ME and that will be awesome!
You couldn't have said it better. There are some people who don't just want policies they favor enacted out of moral or personal interest, but rather because the party you vote for represents your beliefs, and if that party imposes a fascist or domineering rule then that's the closest you can possibly come to being the one in charge, having society forced to conform to your beliefs, and having dissenters from your beliefs punished.Mid Boss said:I wonder if we crave fascism because we think WE will be the ones on top.
Just to be entirely fair, it is a bit of a misrepresentation. Most conservatives do legitimately feel that it's about personal freedoms. Maybe not a truly valid appraisal (freedom as long as you can afford it, aren't trying to have sex in a way they disapprove of, or marry someone they disapprove of), but it's not a calculating evil or selfishness.Mid Boss said:I keep reading my post but I don't see anywhere where I said they were "bad".
But they are. The reality is that conservatives are, on average, poorer than liberals. It kind of makes sense when you think about it, if you have more money and better stability you can afford to pay higher taxes, and if you have more money there's a much larger probability that you went to college (which always has a left-pulling affect).That these changes would be good.... when they themselves aren't negatively affected by them.
I dont agree that this is limited to conservatism, but the general idea you describe is what is named "american optimism". the reason it is named such is that for the most part it is limited to US and is not prevalent on other countries. Sadly, such optimism is misguided and what has lead to US capitalism go wild. US is very unique case when comapred to the rest of the world, both economically and socially, and should be looked at as such.Mid Boss said:For example, voting conservative generally means you're homophobic or rich. But plenty of poor people vote conservative, even if they don't hate homosexuals. Hey tax breaks for the rich? Removal of social programs? Repressed wages? That's all well and good because I'll be rich soon and that all will be awesome when I'm rich. I just need that lucky break or grand idea to rise above all these poor people I'm clearly better than.
In the US wealthy people tend to vote Democrat and the poor tend to vote Republican. You also seem to have a extremely oversimplified view of the Republican values. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that if you vote Democrat you are probably homosexual or living on the state.Mid Boss said:For example, voting conservative generally means you're homophobic or rich.