Bittorrent Judge Rules: You Are Not Your IP Address

John Funk

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Bittorrent Judge Rules: You Are Not Your IP Address

A court decision that IP addresses cannot be subpoenaed as people could have far-reaching effects on copyright lawsuits.

When a copyright holder wants to sue someone who it believes is illegally downloading its music/games/videos/whatever, it needs to know who it's suing first. This is usually done by sending a subpoena to the ISP that runs the local internet, effectively demanding that whoever uses the IP address in question be brought to court. The intent is never to bring them to court, of course, but to arrange a settlement for hundreds or thousands of dollars. It's an incredibly shady scheme that people have likened to extortion, but it's also somewhat successful - and over 100,000 such subpoenas went out last year in the United States alone.

That may soon change. In what could be a potentially plot-turning decision, U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baker ruled that a Canadian porn company, VPR Internationale, could not subpoena IP addresses from an ISP, because an IP address did not necessarily equal a person. Given that the case in question dealt with the illegal download of adult materials, wrote Judge Baker, allowing the copyright holder to sue IP addresses rather than people could interfere with "fair" legal process.

In particular, Judge Baker cited a recent event [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/04/fbi-child-porn-raid-a-strong-argument-for-locking-down-wifi-networks.ars] in which law enforcement officers raided the wrong people thanks to neighbors downloading child porn on their unsecured wifi networks. With this in mind, wrote Judge Baker, how could the company be sure they were suing the right people?

"The infringer might be the subscriber, someone in the subscriber's household, a visitor with her laptop, a neighbor, or someone parked on the street at any given moment," argued Judge Baker in his decision. Perhaps more importantly, he pontificated on whether or not the legal pressure could coerce the innocent into admitting nonexistent guilt:

[blockquote]Orin Kerr, a professor at George Washington University Law School, noted that whether you're guilty or not, you look like a suspect. Could expedited discovery be used to wrest quick settlements, even from people who have done nothing wrong? ... the embarrassment of public exposure might be too great, the legal system too daunting and expensive, for some to ask whether the plaintiff VPR has competent evidence to prove its case.[/blockquote]

Judge Baker concluded that he would not have his court used as a "fishing expedition" against users whose actual identities - let alone whose guilt - could not be certain.

It's unclear whether or not this will be a game-changing decision, as some have argued. Texas attorney Robert Cashman said that [https://torrentlawyer.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/john-doe-lawsuit-denied-expedited-discovery-no-access-to-isp-data/] Judge Baker's ruling may have been "the order that may end all future John Doe lawsuits." While this decision does indeed set precedence for anti-Bittorrent cases to come, the fact that the case in question dealt with adult material may mean that other judges may be less inclined to hold it up as gospel truth.

(Via TorrentFreak [http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-not-a-person-bittorrent-case-judge-says-110503/])

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Awexsome

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Strong arguments on both sides...

The anonymity of the internet is a blessing and a curse huh. Wish there was some way to effectively track the sites and pirates so they could get knocked with the fines without infringing on people.
 

UltimatheChosen

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Hm. That's definitely interesting.

I can see where the judge is coming from, and he definitely has a point there. I'm just a bit concerned that this will make pirates feel safer. But it's not worth suing regular people just to catch criminals, and I'm not sure if there's a better solution.
 

Sunfirecross

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This ruling only makes sense, it protects the rights of the accused and all. Glad to see a Judge who has his head on straight.
 

skorpion352

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this is going to be interesting. with the new copyright law that was passed here in new zealand last month, this case coudl potentially make that law useless, as under the new law content owners (read: multination corps ownign rights to music/movies) only need an ip address and after 3 warnings your internet connection can be cut. and if an ip address on its own isnt evidence of infringement, then that law is useless
 

Haagrum

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An interesting decision, and one I agree with (on balance). You shouldn't be able to trawl so easily without some evidence that you actually know who you're after. Heaven forbid that people should actually have to do some legwork before they can start compiling statements of claim.
 

SovietSecrets

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Well glad to hear I am not just some random IP that can be sued. Well thought out and looking forward to seeing where this goes.
 

FlashHero

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I agree with this court ruling. Would we rather have 100 fair-free people and 400 hoodlums pirating stuff out of jail...or would we want 500 people in jail no matter what they did or did not do?
 

GeorgW

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That's wonderful news! Sure it can help pirates and we don't want that, but it's better to err on the side of caution. Also, most of these lawsuits are ridiculous, and I'm glad to see a stop to them. I think this will have huge ramifications, and for the better.
 

Bon_Clay

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Fuck ya Canada. That's how you have to go about these laws, the burden of proof is on the accuser, we are innocent until proven guilty.
 

Canadish

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I think letting the occasional pirate slip away wins out over extorting innocent people for money.

This is wonderful news to hear. Glad that at least one Judge gets it.
 

John Funk

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Bon_Clay said:
Fuck ya Canada. That's how you have to go about these laws, the burden of proof is on the accuser, we are innocent until proven guilty.
He's actually a United States District Court judge. One assumes the Canadians were suing US residents, which is why he handled the case.
 

Rayne870

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Its sad that the first thing I got out of this is that we have a porn company.
 

Matt Oliver

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legal system for the win. IP does not = person, YOU=WHO YOU ARE! no matter what you will always be unique. thank you judge, sinceraly, a masshole.
 

Baresark

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UltimatheChosen said:
Hm. That's definitely interesting.

I can see where the judge is coming from, and he definitely has a point there. I'm just a bit concerned that this will make pirates feel safer. But it's not worth suing regular people just to catch criminals, and I'm not sure if there's a better solution.
Laws exist to protect citizens. Since a law such as this can be used to wrongfully incriminate people far too easily, it was a solid decision. I would imagine that, at best, it would be completely circumstantial and not point towards any one person. This way, they need to have actual evidence against a user intead of just a household.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Finally, someone who understands that hacking can easily use IP addresses that are not their own.
Unfortunately, not quite. This judge went as far as leeching, but it's unclear if he knows about IP masking. However, this ruling combined with an IT expert pointing out that IP masks are a common tactic by hackers (with an explanation as to what that is for older courts/governments, *cou-Australia-gh*) could be used to get innocent people acquitted.

Hooray Establishment of Precedent!