LittleBigPlanet Levels Getting Axed

Nathan Meunier

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LittleBigPlanet Levels Getting Axed



Some players have found their uploaded LittleBigPlanet levels are being vaporized without warning. What gives?

Much of the fun and mirth in LittleBigPlanet comes from creating your own elaborately designed - playful or demented - uproar [http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/multimedia/2008/09/gallery_littlebigplanet_levels] over uploaded level creations unexpectedly receiving the hatchet from Sony.

Most of the levels being affected appear to contain content deemed by Sony to be inappropriate for all-ages audiences, or that infringe on copyrighted intellectual property. Using copyrighted logos, music, and other elements in level creation seems to be the quickest way to get them sent to the garbage bin. Regardless, players who spend many hours concocting such creations for others to enjoy aren't taking too kindly to having them canned unexpectedly.

"My level was moderated (read; deleted) and now I can't re-publish," one user posted in a thread on the LittleBigWorkshop forum [http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/lbp/board/message?board.id=pod&thread.id=214&view=by_date_ascending&page=1]. "There was absolutely nothing offensive whatsoever in the level at all and I was given no explanation as to why they moderated it or why they won't even let me republish, even after making changes." The poster went on to say, "this totally kills the enjoyment I was getting out of this game."

Many others on the forum have responded in similar fashion, directing their wrath at Sony for cutting their creations without prior notice or and explanation and for being a general killjoy. Much of the criticism has been over the lack of clearly defined criteria for what will cause a level to be deleted and what is deemed acceptable. In a separate thread [http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/lbp/board/message?board.id=pod&message.id=248#M248], Sam Bennett, senior community development manager for Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, said the company is in the process of making those definitions clearer.

"We have been looking into the current issues surrounding the moderation of LittleBigPlanet levels, as it is clear that we're not currently going far enough to inform users who have had a creation moderated why the action was necessary," said Bennett. "We are moving towards a system whereby rather than receiving a generic message any affected user will also receive an indication of what was found to be infringing on the EULA. We're additionally looking to provide clear, plain language directions on what is and is not acceptable to be published through the game."

Until the changes are put in place, Bennett recommends players steer clear of publishing levels with content that infringes on existing copyrights. They should also ensure the creations published are appropriate for all ages.


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Eruanno

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Well, what did we expect? It's Sony, one of the bitchiest companies in the world.
 

PumpItUp

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I can understand Sony's POV, I mean they don't want to be sued by some company for copyright infringement or offensive graphics but you would think that they would have thought of this ahead of time. A little warning next time Sony!
 

Susan Arendt

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Here's the trouble I have with this. On the one hand, putting the Sonic the Hedgehog logo in your level is clearly not the smartest move and you shouldn't be surprised when your work gets the axe. On the other, some of these levels are more homage than rip-off, and it seems unfair to trash them.
 

domicius

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He who sows an online community reaps a crop of bitter woe.

Given the effort going into levels, and the fact that Sony has struck amongst the first adopters - those who have invested most in level creation, and who were out there telling their friends "buy this game and play my level!" - this is an issue that will colour future references to this game for a while.

It's bad business to punish your best customers. Hopefully, though, not too bad business though... the game deserves to be well thought of otherwise.
 

GloatingSwine

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I suspect Sony caught a dose of lawsuit paranoia, but (in keeping with everything else about the release of LittleBigPlanet) they're responding in the most wrongheaded fashion imaginable, deleting levels with no warning, appeal, or explanation, and completely failing to engage with the community on a game which relies on the goodwill of that community to provide it's USP.
 

GyroCaptain

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..yeah, Sony really goofed here. Moderating pornographic content while stating specifics for it a la Spore is fine. Taking a free hand in deleting content without any sort of explanation is pure paranoia fuel for anyone trying to develop and cannot but cripple the entire point of the game. They could have slacked off/delayed cracking down vis a vis copyright while claiming ignorance, or nailed anything REALLY explicitly illegal, but they didn't. Their explanatory press remarks are profoundly weak.
 
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I'll play devil's advocate here and say that I agree with Sony and I don't see them as an evil corporation bent on killing the hopes and dreams of children. While I agree that more warnings and a clearer policy on what can and cannot be in your levels I still agree with them on why they do it. They don't want to get sued. Being sued is costly even if it leads nowhere. Lawyers still need to be paid. They also want to keep the game family friendly so levels with "lol cocks" are sure to get axed and I'm sure we all agree on that point. As for levels using Mario and Sonic; 1)copyright infringement 2)it's a sony console, what do you expect and 3) use your imagination people and make something unique. Don't just copy that flop.. I mean game.
 

AceDiamond

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We're additionally looking to provide clear, plain language directions on what is and is not acceptable to be published through the game.
Translation: We're looking for a way to tell you to stop making levels we can't sell for money to line our own pockets without being that obvious.
 

Ragnaught

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haha, this was bound to happen... small team monitoring a massive gaming community... the quick axe comes in handy when the sheep are coming to drink... or to the people who don't get the metaphor... to kill your customer's satisfaction, hit them when they are at their hardest moment to defend themselves... having worked countless hours on making a level that is ultimately pointless but entertains friends only to have it hit with a sledge hammer... it was destiny if there is such a thing.

God Bless, Always and Forever!

Ragnaught
 
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I'm actually starting to wonder if people are not hating the axing but more the "corporation" trying to make "money" cause capitalism is "evil".
 

Alexious

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Someone made a level that when played it crashes your playstation to the point where you have to turn it off and then back on again. (Even tho I was quite annoyed at it, I was also slightly impressed) So I can see why Sony are doing this.

But to make people unable to publish again is a bit harsh, I think Sony should do the 3 strikes and your out rule at least.
 

Greyhawk

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Seriously, did no one see this coming? I knew this would start the instant I read the words "player designed levels with player created content" paired with "upload and share with the world."

I wouldn't be surprised if someone has made LBP porn level at this point...
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Oh God! I just mentally scarred myself!
 

Royas

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Well, that pretty much solidifies my position on whether or not to get this game. I don't want to risk putting hours of work into a creation only to have it axed because of some vaguely defined criteria for acceptability. Even with the "clarified" set of definitions, you know that they will still be so non-specific as to be able to apply to almost anything if you want to stretch it enough. As far as copyrighted material goes in the US, providers like Sony and ISP's have a safe harbor. As long as they respond to DMCA take-down notices from rights holders, they can't actually be sued. Not much reason to take down anything due to copyrights until you get a direct complaint from the IP holder. I don't know how different it is in other countries, but generally you aren't liable for what someone else puts on your system.
 

cleverlymadeup

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the sad part is everyone will always say "oh i didn't know it was wrong", it's much like asking prisoners how many of them are actually guilty, most will say they aren't and were wrongly caught

this is more of a move sony is making to cover their butts so they aren't sued