Well I've been lurking in the forums for ages and been growing frustrated listening at the arguments on both sides, so a nice introductory thread like this should be a good place to start.
I am Anti - GG
My Name is William, online I usually go by "Ori" an old Alias I picked up in WoW way back when. I am a student Living in Lethbridge, Canada. I work part time at a Tip Top Tailors at the local Mall selling suits. I found myself playing video games for most of my childhood and never saw a reason to kick the habit. Nowadays I don't play a huge variety, mostly RTS titles and RPG's. I also have been Playing and DMing Tabletop RPG's for nearly a Decade. I have a difficult position in Nerd culture in that I really don't look like a Nerd most of the time. One day late in high school I stopped wearing glasses and people just assumed I was "Cool" then. In the past few years I seem to have "Grown up" in my appearance I'm told. Since working as a Formal wear Salesperson my sense of Fashion has also radically improved. As result I no longer dress the part of the community I feel I belong to. I am unfortunately not Nerdy looking enough to be approachable by many people who would want anything to do with me, yet likewise to shy to approach anyone else. (Yay.)
Now for my bit
I don't consider myself a Feminist, I consider it a sad world where I'm the one who has to repackage and redistribute Feminist Ideals in ways that make sense and don't offend the people who need to hear them. (Also as a friendly offer if you find something a "SJW" says to not make a ton of sense please message it to me and I would be more than happy to clarify what they mean, or to denounce them if they are just an idiot)
My issue with Gamer gate is that it was largely caused by people not wanting to hear out what Ethics movements have to say. No one is trying to destroy gaming, no one is trying to make you stop liking your favorite things. They are trying to more or less "bring them up to code". If Gamer gate were just about Journalism Integrity then I would have no problem with it, however Gamer Gates mission statement seems to be more about removing social and ethical theories from Games journalism.
The Irony to me is that the movement wants to enforce Journalism Ethics - by ensuring that journalists don't talk about ethics.
on the flip side I get tired of anti- gamergate advocates assuming you are bad people. I apologize that you are branded misogynists as a group. Frankly this whole thing would be easier if you were. A few years ago I thought the same way as the rest of the internet, but frequent debates with Feminists led me to understand where they are coming from (it took years of kicking and screaming) I am deeply sorry that theorists and advocates for new morality theories have utterly failed to engage you in discussion and debate and instead have branded you as villains.
I believe words can do damn near anything if we all keep an open mind
I am Anti - GG
My Name is William, online I usually go by "Ori" an old Alias I picked up in WoW way back when. I am a student Living in Lethbridge, Canada. I work part time at a Tip Top Tailors at the local Mall selling suits. I found myself playing video games for most of my childhood and never saw a reason to kick the habit. Nowadays I don't play a huge variety, mostly RTS titles and RPG's. I also have been Playing and DMing Tabletop RPG's for nearly a Decade. I have a difficult position in Nerd culture in that I really don't look like a Nerd most of the time. One day late in high school I stopped wearing glasses and people just assumed I was "Cool" then. In the past few years I seem to have "Grown up" in my appearance I'm told. Since working as a Formal wear Salesperson my sense of Fashion has also radically improved. As result I no longer dress the part of the community I feel I belong to. I am unfortunately not Nerdy looking enough to be approachable by many people who would want anything to do with me, yet likewise to shy to approach anyone else. (Yay.)
Now for my bit
I don't consider myself a Feminist, I consider it a sad world where I'm the one who has to repackage and redistribute Feminist Ideals in ways that make sense and don't offend the people who need to hear them. (Also as a friendly offer if you find something a "SJW" says to not make a ton of sense please message it to me and I would be more than happy to clarify what they mean, or to denounce them if they are just an idiot)
My issue with Gamer gate is that it was largely caused by people not wanting to hear out what Ethics movements have to say. No one is trying to destroy gaming, no one is trying to make you stop liking your favorite things. They are trying to more or less "bring them up to code". If Gamer gate were just about Journalism Integrity then I would have no problem with it, however Gamer Gates mission statement seems to be more about removing social and ethical theories from Games journalism.
The Irony to me is that the movement wants to enforce Journalism Ethics - by ensuring that journalists don't talk about ethics.
on the flip side I get tired of anti- gamergate advocates assuming you are bad people. I apologize that you are branded misogynists as a group. Frankly this whole thing would be easier if you were. A few years ago I thought the same way as the rest of the internet, but frequent debates with Feminists led me to understand where they are coming from (it took years of kicking and screaming) I am deeply sorry that theorists and advocates for new morality theories have utterly failed to engage you in discussion and debate and instead have branded you as villains.
I believe words can do damn near anything if we all keep an open mind
