A DmC by any other name?

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DrunkOnEstus

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May 11, 2012
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So lately I've made a promise to myself to choose what games I'm going to play next, and make as much of an effort as I can to finish them. I picked the DMC series, finished 1 (for like the 4th time at this point), tried but couldn't finish 2, finished 3, and recently finished the quite good 4 HD Ultimate Hyper Platinum Turbo edition.

Anyway, that brings me to DmC. On its own merits, I'm really enjoying it so far. I'm probably halfway done, and I see no reason that I won't be finishing it. However, like most people would note, it doesn't feel at all like a proper DMC game, and I feel like its in my playlist due to the title it has. But that doesn't make it a bad game.

Getting to the point of this thread, we all know that DmC did bad financially (though apparently not bad enough that Capcom released it again on current gen). The game scored well with critics, but at release the high marks apparently didn't attract enough DMC fans to accept it or non-fans to try it out of curiosity.

What I'm wondering is, if the game was just another Ninja Theory hack-and-slash, like a post-punk Heavenly Sword, would the scores be just as good? Would DMC fans be more receptive to it as an alternative since "DMC" wouldn't be on the box? This is assuming that the game disconnected entirely, with a character not named "Dante", and the evil Rupert Murdoch Fox News demon wasn't named "Mundus" and so on.

I'd like to think that the scores would be about the same, as this looks like one instance where most critics put aside the larger context of the franchise and judged the game on its own. I just don't know if anyone else agrees, or if more people would have been willing to try it had it carried another name.

Although I wish they didn't, names do in fact carry a lot of weight. Chrono Trigger is my favorite game ever, and I deprived myself for years of the amazing JRPG experience that is Chrono Cross because it felt like such a radical departure from what I expected from a sequel, even though the reviews were saying to absolutely play it. I can see DMC fans "voting with their wallets" here, not buying it to prevent the series from moving in that direction and rejecting what was presented under that name.

Frankly, I hope that Ninja Theory gets to make another stylish hack-and-slash with a good PC port, where the levels themselves are among your enemies and little things are hidden everywhere. Despite that, a little part of me does hope that game isn't "DmC 2", as it might exist instead of a potential "DMC 5" when we could have 2 different yet great hack-and-slash experiences (not to mention Bayonetta).

Thoughts?

Edit: Still pissed that these important tweaks that show up in these PS4 "More HD than before re-releases" don't make their way to the PC version, I still can't believe I bought Dark Souls 2 a second time to have a PS4 port that looks the same as my PS3 port, I definitely wouldn't buy DmC a second time but I'd like these changes that PS4 owners got.
 

Mister K

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Well yeah, I think so, kind of. I mean what really pissed people off wasn't actually the fact that Dante hadn't had white hair and other similar stuff. From what I remember, the biggest shitstorm happened after Tameen Whateverhisnameis in response to critisism about changes made to the game with not something calm and diplomatic (for example "While I understand that many of you do not see the changes we made in positive light, we here at NT are determined to create a game that will allow older fans to enjoy our take at what Dante could be while attracting new people"). No, his response sounded something like this: "You don't like it? Well, sucks to be you. It is my vision, so you either like it or go choke on a big one".
This wig scene, that could be a funny nudge towards Dantes classic appearance, became an insult exactly BECAUSE of the PR nightmare that this guy was.

I mean, yes, there are moments which would've pissed people no matter what, like making Vergil a weakling in a fight (storywise), replacing stylish dialogues with "FUCK YOUUUU!!!" exchange, making enemies immune to certain types of weapons (thus limiting combo potential) and many more things, but even the diehardest of DMC fans would've simply grunted in dissaproval and didn't play the game. There wouldn't have been such a backlash.

And yes, simply giving everyone and everything a new name would've helped A LOT. They could've named it, I dunno, "Heavenly Demon" and given the twins names such as, for example, Julius and Caesar and BOOM, no backlash. Also, they could simply put "Inspired by critically acclaimed Devil May Cry series" on a box, or something.
 

Maximum Bert

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Difficult to say really the name both helped and hindered it imo. I have not played any more than a demo of DmC so I dont have much to go off but I have been dissapointed in the franchise since after the (brilliant) first entry after that it never felt like DMC to me and I only managed to finish 3 out of 2-4 and I was done after 1 playthrough of that. It just lacked the hook the first game had which I must have replayed over 12 times (never did finish dante must die though).

I do agree that the game would have caught much less flack if it did not have the name attached but I dont think it would have sold as well without it. I am looking forward to Ninja Theorys next game and I quite enjoyed Heavenly Sword, was not so keen on Enslaved however. Anyway my take is not as a fan of the series as for me it died when 2 hit and 3 was to little to late especially when we have the real successor in Bayonetta anyway so as for the game itself I did not mind the changes as I felt there was nothing to lose anymore but it was not enough to make me pick it up again after 3 disappointments in a row.

As a series I think Bayonetta has far surpassed it and Ninja Gaiden as well even though that to lost it a bit after the first (rebooted) entry.