Accidental Cleanliness Destroys $1.1m Art Installation
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To my knowledge it has happened before twice to the same artist. Joseph Beuys' "Fettecke" and "Badewanne" both were destroyed by a cleaning women and a janitor who mistook his art for dirt. I don't know why this hasn't come up yet. Fellow germans, I am disappoint.sir.rutthed said:
mfG diebane
It's funny how when a discussion about games as art comes up, we all rally against traditional definitions of the word "art" and pat ourselves on the back for our open-mindedness, but when something like this comes up, we all joke about its worthlessness and don't even try to see what meaning it could hold.
Leave out the horrendous prices for a second. People buy stuff for huge amounts of money without any real reason.8-Bit_Jack said:
Art is not about "Hey, I could've done that, too"! Art is about how people percept your sculpture/painting etc. The urinal was art because nobody else had thought of it before. This piece is about how something common like a urinal can be percepted as something entirely different, as art.
Why do people think that they know what art is or isn't when they have no clue about what the essence of art is? I'm not an expert, but I know that art doesn't have to be based on skill and I wouldn't ever say that "I could've done that, too".
Art is a subjective field, not an objective one.
mfG diebane
Ah, well, I could definitely see that. Yup, better to err on the side of caution, especially when you can rely on the community to fill in some blanks.Earnest Cavalli said:
Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that a piece of supposed art supposedly worth 1 million was never even pictured until this? It says a lot about modern art...
this is most likely because it was part of a private collection, and only on loan to the museum. were it part of their own collection there would be other photographs, as it is any photographs will belong to the private collector, and more than likely just be reference images for insurance and such, rather than press photos or "postcard" shots.GeorgW said:
this has been a message on behalf of boring facts.
Art can be anything, even trash. Just because something is art doesn't mean it's not also trash.
There were some art pieces made of food, photographed, then eaten. That was the intent of the artist.
I think the problem here is that the artist didn't go for making an artistic stain, he just made a mess with it and got away with people appreciating it. Not a fault of "art in general", just with this specific artist.
There were some art pieces made of food, photographed, then eaten. That was the intent of the artist.
I think the problem here is that the artist didn't go for making an artistic stain, he just made a mess with it and got away with people appreciating it. Not a fault of "art in general", just with this specific artist.
qftZeZZZZevy said:
I remember a "piece of art" consisting of a circular hole drilled into concrete with a brass plate with the name of the piece, displayed in a public area. It was valued around half a million euro or something.
Thats insanity folks. Drilling a f*ing hole and calling it a name is NOT creative art.
If anything it's an art to squeeze exorbitant amounts of money out of people. If thats the proclaimed aim and purpose of this sport, I can respect that. If somebody willingly gives somebody money for something like this ~ allright.
I do have a problem with public funding for art installations showing off "White speck on blank canvas" and "Remains of my dinner (post digestion)"
just to be fair. Modern art cant be considered art if the person who produced it isn't already an established traditional artist of some kind. Which is y you don't see crap in the literal sense from your average layman considered "Art"
This however made my day! XD
By now art is just getting ridiculous, once I saw a drawing of an ant, life sized, on paper the size of an lcd tv, guess the price
Imagine the amount of real ants/useful stuff you could've bought with that.
OP: All of that money down the drain eh?
16,000 Pounds
OP: All of that money down the drain eh?
The number of people who refer to this as "Modern art" are making me die inside.
More to the point, artists are making ART. We don't have anything to do with the people who decide to make it a commodity and go around slapping these price tags on it.
Blame them.
None of you people know anything about contemporary art, and yet you find it perfectly acceptable to disrespect it so completely.
You should be ashamed of how you're letting your sheer ignorance guide your actions.
More to the point, artists are making ART. We don't have anything to do with the people who decide to make it a commodity and go around slapping these price tags on it.
Blame them.
None of you people know anything about contemporary art, and yet you find it perfectly acceptable to disrespect it so completely.
You should be ashamed of how you're letting your sheer ignorance guide your actions.
IMO: Regardless of whether it was "art" or not (impossible to prove), the fault lies with the museum. If an object, especially one insured for that much money, is in a public space, the least they can do is erect a barrier and instruct staff to stay outside it. Tell them to report any damage to artwork rather than interfering, so that it can be professionally restored. I imagine that's what they do in classical art galleries.
Oh, it did happen. Several times, actually, at least in Germany and Austria. And every single time I was smiling at the report and thinking of the anonymous cleaners who did a great service to art.sir.rutthed said:
Incidents like this are even referenced in Terry Pratchett's "Thud!", so I guess it's surprisingly common. Tells you something about modern art, I guess.
I'm just waiting for someone to bid $4.3 million on the cleaning lady's mop.
The issue here isn't the artists. It's the wine-swilling "experts" who are so creatively bankrupt that they've turned their occupation into a trolling contest: To see which of them can toss away the most money on some bizarre trash sculpture, and then make up the most bullshit pseudo-pretentious terms about what it "means".
The only thing bad about that is the lost potential that all that blown money could have for, say, education or science or whatnot.
The issue here isn't the artists. It's the wine-swilling "experts" who are so creatively bankrupt that they've turned their occupation into a trolling contest: To see which of them can toss away the most money on some bizarre trash sculpture, and then make up the most bullshit pseudo-pretentious terms about what it "means".
The only thing bad about that is the lost potential that all that blown money could have for, say, education or science or whatnot.
I agree. I was at the Art Gallery of Ontario and all the art had boundaries except this silly long slab of pressure treated wood. It needed security guards continually telling us that it's not a bench. Fooled about 20 people in 15 minutes while I was there. If you can't tell art apart from a bench then it's not artZeZZZZevy said:
Well said. I frequently visit this forum but generally never post. But after seeing the level of animosity, uninformed judgments and, even, outright hostility I feel compelled to defend it :Erana said:
That "one asshole" submitted that exhibit almost 100 years ago. Like it or not "modern" art has formed part of our culture for a long time and has affected the lives of millions of people. Who are you to stand on the side lines and demand an entire genre is wiped from existence? Perhaps afterwards we can all start burning books.8-Bit_Jack said:
Has anyone actually seen it before it got destroyed by the cleaner? From what I see, I wouldn't buy it, even if it was affordable. But have I seen it in person? Do I have an understanding of this style of art? No I don't. But I can appreciate that an effort has been made and that different people will get different things out it - even if it's just a debate about "what is art".
People mocked Van Gogh. Now his paintings are some of the most valued in the world and have consciously and unconsciously influenced what art we see around us today and take for granted. Games like Skyward Sword and Okami have generations of artists and hundreds of years of artistic and aesthetic development behind them which have seeped into the public consciousness.
There are a lot of unjustifiable, horrible things happening in the world which ravage people's lives. Get angry and shout about those things. Not at a profession that at the very least injects a bit of random and impracticable into an otherwise logical and profit-driven world.
Do not mock the Kippenberger.
FEAR THE KIPPENBERGER!
But, hey, let's pass judgement about a destroyed piece of 'alleged' art without understanding the context in which it was made. Let's laugh at the materials and the price-tag, and call it pretentious, and confuse modern-art with pop-art, and put all the artists who aren't Rembrandt in the same category as the guy who canned shit. That's the way we prove we're good, decent, uninquisitive folk!
