Activision Prices Call of Duty Elite

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Now I haven't done much research about this so PLEASE correct me if I'm out off line. But, why would I NEED to pay Activision a fee for playing in their tourny?! And I get first pick on shitty map packs that should be free but still isn't? How nice of you Activsion, how nice.
fare777 said:
i love how you people are going "OMG 31 POUNDS for a year" Yet for a full year sub to WoW is around 5 pound a month which = 60 POUNDS....
Compare the continent between these two and you will how much Activision is trying to wrench out of your wallet.
 

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It somehow feels like they're trying to turn the game into an e-sport. Feels a little late, though.
The thing is, CoD can be fun, but it isn't really suited to be an e-sport. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike, Starcraft (the original), Counter-Strike, those were some of the big original e-sports. They all have three things in common...

1: Gameplay is entirely reliant on skill to succeed at the pro-level. These guys put in hours upon hours to get to the level they're at. You don't just wake up and play Starcraft at 300apm.

CoD: I think the killstreaks ruin this. Yeah, they're flashy and fun, but they reward a single player getting out in front and extending his lead, and honestly, most of them depend entirely on luck (air strikes and such). I just don't see that kind of thing making it in a pro-level FPS.

2: These games were all very well known for their balance, which helps enforce them being skill-based game. You can't ***** about mechanics (most of the time), your winning or losing is on you.

CoD: If the killstreaks were taken out, CoD may have a shot at this. Although, I haven't played CoD since the first Modern Warfare, so i don't know how far they've pursued balance issues.

3: Most e-sports games have been around for AGES. That's what lets people get good enough at them to play them at a professional level. There are STILL pro-level SFIII:3S, Counter-strike and Starcraft 1 tournaments. It took almost a year for a lot of the big-name Starcraft 1 players to switch over to Starcraft II, because they were unsure about moving to an entirely new game.

CoD: A new Call of Duty gets released yearly. Unless they picked ONE version of CoD for e-sports, the yearly release schedule just doesn't work. Well, I suppose they COULD just make every vesion of CoD play exactly the same, which would make new games have zero learning curve for older players. But...well, that's a way for a series to get run into the ground and die out (see also: Guitar Hero)

You mean pro-commentated matches that this little free to play game called League of Legends streams for free quite frequently?

And do you mean strategy videos just like the champion spotlights the very same game puts out for every new champ and has begun to do retroactively for old champs?

Again, this is a completely free to play game, where the only thing they make you spend real world money on is cosmetic changes. Everything else can or must be bought with in game currency you have to earn.

So tell me, what is this service providing us? The chance to beta test their maps for them? Just like beta tests you can do for free for any other game?

The chance to enter tourneys? Just like any other game will let you if you have enough skill?
Yeah, this post sums up a few of my own views on this. Any kind of serious competative game has free commentated vids (everyone and their grandma has a livestream now), free tournament recordings and most stream tournaments completely for free. The only way I could see people needing to get Elite is if Activision actively started to clamp down and shut down CoD youtube vids and livestreams, which wouldn't work because those are protected under fair use laws.

Who says they want to play those cheaper games? I could not get Dark Souls for $60 and buy a bunch of cheaper games. But do I want to? Hell no.
I wouldn't count out the cheaper games. "AAA" and big graphics really don't mean shit these days. Hell, the game I've put the most hours in was the original Sword of the Stars. Picked up the complete collection for $20 on steam and have over 150 hours into it.
 

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thats how much im going to pay for battlefi-

ok better stop this while i can, but 50 euros is almost a robbery
Early acess? if the dlc is ready why no release it? if the dlc isnt ready then you are treating us as beta testers that have to pay to test and give your opinion?

and i just walked by MW3 forums on steam and it seems there wont even be a special edition for the PC, that show how much they care about us even before its released
 

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Xbox Live: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty Elite: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty: $50
Map Packs: $15 for each

Paying $200 for the privilege of dealing with screeching, profane, racist 12 year olds each and every day?

Priceless.
 

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Alpha Maeko said:
Xbox Live: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty Elite: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty: $50
Map Packs: $15 for each

Paying $200 for the privilege of dealing with screeching, profane, racist 12 year olds each and every day?

Priceless.
Low Key said:
$50 for Elite + $60 for the game (on consoles) + $60 for map packs + $60 for XBL (if applicable)

= $230 per year / 12 months = about $19 a month

And you know it's only a matter of time before Elite becomes mandatory to play the game at all.

The more "services" which cost money they tack on, the less appealing gaming looks to me.
These gaming companies apparently don't make money unless they charge for server usage, yet they keep taking away LAN support.
Therefore, I am forced to use a service I don't want to use or pay for just to have multiplayer capabilities.

No wonder I haven't purchased or played a game in almost 2 years.
I'm sorry but I've been trying to go over the numbers a couple of times, and your calculations just don't seem to add up. Would either one of you care to explain where you are getting your numbers? They just seem wrong....
The DLC maps come with the elite service, so you aren't paying $60 more dollars in addition to the elite service, you pay $50 for the elite service and you get the $60 map packs in addition to the rest of the elite service.
 

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Not worth it.

This is definitely a better deal for the PS3 guys though. The xbox guys are already paying 60 bucks a year and the CoD hardcores probably pay that 60 to play CoD exclusively. Now they can pay 120! Hurray!

Let's not forget the 15 bucks for each map pack and the cost of the game. Insane.
 

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godofallu said:
Look at all these people hating on the Elite service, and like 80% of them have no idea what the service even offers.

There are usually 4 15 dollar map packs a year, so you're already saving money people. Add in the early access to the maps and a few other small perks and you have a decently priced deal.
So you are getting a better deal... for a rip off?
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
And @Rednog, "Seriously"? Opinions are open, but charging for a service that could be atrocious is the same day 1 DLC that crippled Portal 2. It's hardly a new call.
Wait... Portal 2 had day 1 DLC?
 

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Rednog said:
I'm sorry but I've been trying to go over the numbers a couple of times, and your calculations just don't seem to add up. Would either one of you care to explain where you are getting your numbers? They just seem wrong....
The DLC maps come with the elite service, so you aren't paying $60 more dollars in addition to the elite service, you pay $50 for the elite service and you get the $60 map packs in addition to the rest of the elite service.
Can I get a source on where you are hearing that from? Because this very article we are commenting on says:

"The company announced that Elite will cost $49.99 per year, for which players will receive early access to all Modern Warfare 3 map packs"

I didn't read anything anywhere about the map packs being included with the Elite service. All I see is "early access". So please, source.
 

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Captain Placeholder said:
Irony is Strong in this thread.

Whiny little children crying that CoD Players have no lives and are mindless sheep, when in fact they are having fun and everyone here is wasting their time bitching about other people.

What I want to know is this:

Why the hell does it matter to ANY of you? Let the CoD players spend their money. Does it truly matter at all?

Also, don't pull the "COD IS RUINING SHOOTERS!" The SAME thing happened with RTS back in the 90s. With RPGs back in the 80s. Shit happens, get over it.
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Question, why does it matter to you if someone wants to "Waste" their money? Does it affect you, personally - be it Physically or Mentally if someone wants to pay for this? Trick Question - it doesn't. Let it be and let the CoD Fanboys pay for it.
I find the "How does it affect you personally?" argument a bit of a cop-out. Of course it doesn't directly/immediately affect us personally, but where would this industry, hell any industry go without its consumers analyzing and interpreting the different situations going on in it? Some people decide to show those interpretations through dance heated arguments. In a sense, yeah, it does affect us in that this will affect the industry in some way. Going "Oh, just let them spend money! It doesn't affect you personally, why should you care?" only make us more susceptible to being exploited.
 

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Low Key said:
Rednog said:
I'm sorry but I've been trying to go over the numbers a couple of times, and your calculations just don't seem to add up. Would either one of you care to explain where you are getting your numbers? They just seem wrong....
The DLC maps come with the elite service, so you aren't paying $60 more dollars in addition to the elite service, you pay $50 for the elite service and you get the $60 map packs in addition to the rest of the elite service.
Can I get a source on where you are hearing that from? Because this very article we are commenting on says:

"The company announced that Elite will cost $49.99 per year, for which players will receive early access to all Modern Warfare 3 map packs"

I didn't read anything anywhere about the map packs being included with the Elite service. All I see is "early access". So please, source.

Go down to point 10, it says it right there.
 

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Rednog said:
Alpha Maeko said:
Xbox Live: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty Elite: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty: $50
Map Packs: $15 for each

Paying $200 for the privilege of dealing with screeching, profane, racist 12 year olds each and every day?

Priceless.
RONG!
Yeah, I know, but that's not the point. My post was a joke, cashing in on the worst-case-scenario.

Anyway, you're literally doubling how much you pay per year for your online gaming, assuming you play Call of Duty on the 360.
 

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Rednog said:
Go down to point 10, it says it right there.
Interesting.

I still see Activision requiring Elite to play CoD in the future. Charging $10 less for Elite than individually purchasing the map packs kind of points to that. Activision has never been known to give customers a good deal, ever.
 

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Alpha Maeko said:
Rednog said:
Alpha Maeko said:
Xbox Live: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty Elite: $50 USD per year
Call of Duty: $50
Map Packs: $15 for each

Paying $200 for the privilege of dealing with screeching, profane, racist 12 year olds each and every day?

Priceless.
RONG!
Yeah, I know, but that's not the point. My post was a joke, cashing in on the worst-case-scenario.

Anyway, you're literally doubling how much you pay per year for your online gaming, assuming you play Call of Duty on the 360.
Here's the problem with the argument of doubling your cost if you play on the 360.
You can't just tack on the price of $50 for playing on live. If that is the only online game you're playing on the 360 during the year, then yes you could argue that it is an extra $50 tacked on. I have no data to support this, but I surmised that if there are any gamers, if any at all, that only play CoD in a year's span they are a tiny, tiny minority.
If you pay more games than one online, you really can't attribute the cost of Xbox live to the cost of CoD. That really isn't fair on CoD's part.
And with that cost negated for reasons above, the Xbox players are pretty much in the same boat as the PS3 and PC players.
 

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Low Key said:
Rednog said:
Go down to point 10, it says it right there.
Interesting.

I still see Activision requiring Elite to play CoD in the future. Charging $10 less for Elite than individually purchasing the map packs kind of points to that. Activision has never been known to give customers a good deal, ever.
If it does get to a point that Activision charges people a monthly basis MMORPG style, then I will be the first in line to burn them at the stake, but as it currently stands this is a good deal for those who would have/will buy all the DLC.
 
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i try to be pretty open minded and understand publishers are businesses..

but i think a fuse just broke in my head, i might just have to kill someone at activision, especially the department head that authorized this bullshit.


good lord almight i'll keepy my 50 dollars to spend on games that are actually worth it and give you all that shit FOR FREE ANYWAYS.


sad thing is i know 4 people off the top of my head who are stroking boners about cod elite right now...
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
And @Rednog, "Seriously"? Opinions are open, but charging for a service that could be atrocious is the same day 1 DLC that crippled Portal 2. It's hardly a new call.
Here's the thing, in my honest opinion, I have yet to see an valid argument against the Elite service based on the existing CoD model.
First of all let's put one thing aside, the map packs have been $15 each since Modernwarefare 2, this isn't going to change, any argument about paying for them as opposed to other companies offering "free" DLC or stating that $15 for map packs is too much is just an old argument and a somewhat pointless argument that has little to do with what the Elite service is offering.

With that out of the way, I pose a question. If Activision rolled out and said hey we're going to provide stat tracking and all that other stuff just like Halo and Battlefield for free (which is currently the case) and the map packs are still the map packs @$15. Would anyone really have a problem with Activision? (Take note that we're putting aside any argument of the map pack price because this has been their fee for the last 2 games.)

To me the obvious answer is no. Because how could you possibly have any problem with this? They are just offering the same thing everyone else is and the rest of their business model would be exactly the same.

So how is it that when they bundle the map packs and a bunch of other stuff into a package that is actually cheaper than it would be based on the current model for the last two games that people all of a sudden have a problem with this?

It is pretty much the same thing that Epic is doing with gears of war. They are offering a DLC discount for their "season pass" all 4 of their map packs cheaper if you buy it all at once. And yet there is no hate for Epic. Hell even Logan Westbrook (escapist) called Gear's Season pass: "Out of all the different schemes and systems that developers and publishers are using to monetize DLC properly, this is probably one of the best ideas. Microsoft and Epic get make money on all four packs, and the consumer gets a discount and a neat little downloadable exclusive. Basically, everybody wins."

So once again I ask how is it that CoD elite is getting flak for this but not Epic?

I fail to see what people are bitching about.
Seriously if a person is into CoD and intends to get all the map packs, they would be absolutely insane not to get the Elite service.