Awexsome said:
Treblaine said:
"Bungie must shoot for a "Teen" ESRB rating" "
NOT GOOD!
To get that rating there essentially can't be any lethal force fused against humans. Even depicted. Every Halo game got an M-rating to spite how it was mainly shooting inhuman aliens. I don't see how they can go for a T-rating unless they are making a non-lethal game (like Arkham City) or that the ESRB ratings be completely overhauled.
I really am trying not to get my hopes up but you saying that makes me lean even more towards Bungie making what I dream they'll make... shooting other humans is a easy 'M' rating... so what if they're shooting each other's SHIPS! Sci-fantasy shooter still leaves the door wide open for a space combat game! Think about it... Bungie could've been testing those waters with the Reach mission Long Night of Solace with the short space section.
Therumancer said:
Your entitled to your opinion man but for the sake of the industry... it would be a much better place if you kept your mean, insulting, entitled, and ignorant opinions to yourself.
I'm going to be blunt about a couple of things. No matter how you might try and dress it up a flame is a flame. I'm pretty even tempered, and while I have come pretty close in the past I have yet to actually report someone. I've been in a rather pissy mood recently, which I will own, but when you start dismissing people as "igorant" because you don't like what your hearing, that's getting ridiculous. This isn't entirely aimed just at you, but at a lot of people I've been talking to recently. If you can't handle hearing things you don't like, and insist on dismissing anyone with an extremely contrary viewpoint, then you probably don't belong on message forums to begin with.
THAT said, since we're discussing ignorance, and what kind of invoked my ire to draw the line in your direction (when it's actually pretty general of late) is that your saying things like "killing other human beings is an M rating easy". Seriously? The very fact that someone would even consider thinking that kind of proves my general trend of going off on the industry. You don't even know what an "M" rating is, or what is generally accepted for teenagers. To put it into perspective, your basically claiming that human beings haven't been killed within a PG or PG-13 movie, or even in T-rating games. Now granted you might have a personal principle in saying that it should be that way, but it's in no way fact or an "easy" rating. I normally just let crap like that go, even when I correct it, but to have someone call ME ignorant in the same post, that's a little overboard.
I'll also be blunt, how nice am I supposed to be to the gaming industry? It's rare when a day goes by when there isn't some discussion about some cash grab, crazy DRM scheme, or company going under because it basically put a turd on the market and expected to make billions. Right now the news of the moment is 38 studios going down under it's own weight because after a single moderate success it decided it wanted to try and make huge amounts of money off of a poorly conceived MMO rather than being content to develop decent single player games and refine them which had less profits. This isn't even a singular situation, we've got companies like THQ which was a more established label going on, and that's really just the tip of the iceberg right now, and if you look at the whole sweep of the industry as opposed to what's been going on just right at this moment on a number of levels, yeah... it's not a pretty picture. Sorry if that's insulting, but it's what's going on. It's not ignorant because it's right there. Honestly what the gaming industry needs is to be insulted,
people coddling them is half the bloody problem, and why we see exactly the same cycles of cash grabs, rot, and collapsing franchises and companies, where only a few super publishers seem to do well (and partially because they basically cannibalize the fallen, and buy out anything remotely successful so they can suck the life out of it, and then cast the carcass away... look at Bioware recently for example).
No, I'm not going to keep it to myself, and the reasons why is that I care about games. Rather I'm going to encourage people to do exactly what I'm doing, which includes getting on the case of devs as much as the publishers. If people continue to focus on each issue individually, or defending specific IPS and creators because of fond memories, or whatever else, nothing is going to change. People have to look at the industry as a whole, and criticize it as a whole, and not discriminate on getting on it's case out of love for, or nostolgia over, some favored IP. Consider it tough love, sometimes people need to hear what idiots they are, they will deny it, but sometimes it will get them to take a long look in the mirror and change. I've done it a number of times, and that's kind of how I've gotten to the point I'm at now (ie while unrelated to this, I no longer stress myself out trying to make everyone happy, or being politically correct even when it conflicts with what's going on around me. I no longer play the game, and instead deal with the issues as they are.)
Sure, maybe this is harsh on you, but I am really bloody tired of being the only one on these forums who tries to remain constantly polite, and who tolerates 10 tons of crap every time he explains something or provides an alternative view point, especially when 90% of the crap comes from people argueing a principle and who don't even have any idea of the reality of what their talking about or have even looked beyond what people who already agree with them have told them. Really, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to think that if everyone else gets away with this, maybe I should stop being nice and get rude and personal back. I mean nobody else bothers, and you just demonstrated that.