Activision: Social and Casual Games Don't Make Money

Dendio

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Though its funny at times, there is way too much Kotick hate on these boards. Im happy that one of the leading video game companies is continuing its commitment to full length gaming experiences. Although i'm sure there are some gems, casual gaming is a magnet for shovel ware.
 

The Wykydtron

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Basically hes saying "lol casual games why the fuck do I need those? I have WoW and COD for fucks sake!... Whats that? Innovation? WTF does that word mean?
 

Dana22

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Bejeweled doesn't make money ? Are you ouf of your effin mind Kotick ?
 

Delock

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"The place where you have the opportunities for growth is within the communities of franchises we control."

Is that why you maim the fuck out of every developer in your company that isn't working on one of your cash cows (a few after they get their titles out)? Isn't that counter productive if you want GROWTH?! Shouldn't you focus on either expanding on a good idea from a new IP they produce or just getting more IPs out there to look for a huge untapped audience. Hell, look at Ubisoft, the other "evil" publisher (they get it for their DRM rather than malicious intentions and from what I've seen EA's dropped out of the race these days). The got Assassin's Creed out there, and despite a shaky beginning, were able to not only grab a large market (though to be fair, Ubisoft was chasing all the markets Assassin's Creed was aimed at before with stuff like Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, and a huge variety of historical action games, some of which were set in medieval times, so it might have been more just finally hitting the right mix and then polishing it to keep the market).

Point is, it's ok to keep a franchise alive, but that isn't your sole focus, as if you really want to grow rather than just hit a limit and stay there forever, you need to keep finding new outlets (and you missed the big low risk good payoff one here, Activision that you could a small indie studio working on and produce a huge amount of games for, several of which you could slowly evolve into a franchise).
 

Veylon

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Is this really news? It seems like half the articles coming up are one industry exec trash-talking a genre/trend/concept he doesn't like.
 

RowdyRodimus

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There is money in social games but it all goes to people like Facebook and Apple for allowing the devs to put their games on their stuff.
 

antidonkey

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Has Bobby never heard of Popcap? I'm pretty sure them and their millions of dollars would disagree that there isn't money to be made in the casual segment.
 

Buizel91

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So Iphone game are not doing good? Wii games are not selling all that good?

Grow up Bobby.

Wait...isn't WoW a social game? Sure it's an MMORPG, but it's still a social game :S or am i missing the point?
 

Something Amyss

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Veylon said:
Is this really news? It seems like half the articles coming up are one industry exec trash-talking a genre/trend/concept he doesn't like.
Or doesn't understand. Kottick seems to be the latter.
 

V8 Ninja

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I'm sorry, Kotick, but casual games make TONS of money [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102938-Zynga-In-Trouble-Over-Mafia-Wars-Guerrilla-Marketing]. It's hard to deny the fact.
 

Atmos Duality

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The obvious contradictions in his statement have already been pointed out. Several times.
As a business decision though, I agree with his stance; Activision's franchise count is close to shrinking, so they are deciding to build on their few real strengths first (after Guitar Hero sales fell, makes one wonder just how long Activision can stand on their own. I'm ignoring their economic "God Mode" via their cancerous relationship with Blizzard).

Of course, just flat out saying "We aren't going to make casual games" isn't enough; he has to say "why", no matter how stupid or wrong it is.
 

Mechsoap

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wait...has he been even remotely connected to the gaming community the last 1 and half year?
 

Sylocat

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As if my wall didn't already have enough forehead-shaped dents in it...
 

littlewisp

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I read this article as him saying: "I don't see how Activision could come up with something that has any chance of competing with the companies already producing casual games, and since I have no desire to be last in line we will not be participating. You have not seen the last of us!"

Then he laughs maniacally and goes out through a stage trap door in a cloud of smoke that is blown away by a fan to reveal his disappearance.
 

mjc0961

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Social and causal games don't make money? Has he forgotten about that giant game that the Blizzard part of his company runs called World of Warcraft? At the very least you can describe that as "social".
 

Aiddon_v1legacy

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maybe it's because they drove their big casual/party franchise into the ground. Kotick is just making sure to milk an ever-shrinking demographic to which he'll probably bail when there's no more money to make.
 

mogamer

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Once again Kotick is lying. GH is about as casual a series as you can find and it made millions for Activision.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I think what he means is that casual games are worth millions, and until they're worth billions, it's not worth him raising the phone to his Garbage Pail Kid themed face to act.