It doesn't help that the Justice League: Unlimited cartoon had them both be the same creature.madwarper said:Just wanted to point out that Hawkgirl is Shiera Sanders Hall [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkgirl], a reincarnation of an Egyptian princess (wings optional). Hawkwoman is Shayera Hol [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkwoman], a law enforcement officer from the planet Thanagar (always wings). Two entirely different hawk-based people.
But, you know... Comics are weird.
By far the worst thing about the furry fandom is other furries.monkeymangler said:I have two friends who are furries. One of them makes high-quality fur suits for a living. Both are super cool dudes.
I remember when they had an actual convention in the city. Everything went well... until two people decided to have sex in their suits and the whole event was shut down. I remember my friend driving to their house and screaming at them for a good ten minutes about how they ruined the fun for everyone and are the assholes giving every other furry a bad name.
The video's not bad, but the tagline irritates me. Since when are we a cosplay subculture? Only about 20% of furries have suits, you know. There's a lot of other aspects to the thing.Liana Kerzner said:Just the Facts About Furries
Just the facts about one of cosplays subcultures.
That is a surprisingly solid vid.Saulkar said:Video was OK but did not go indepth as it could have. Then again, it was my first episode of the series. For a much more indepth look at the fandom watch this video.
Part of the problem is that a lot of furries don't even bother to research the movement's roots. Before furries pop up, you have to look at Disney's anthropomorph animals, John Tenniel's humanoid Wonderland denizens and a solid century or so's worth of political caricatures that have used animals as shortcuts to the clear display of certain human traits. You can even go further back and observe the way a lot of Polytheist cultures use animals as clear iconographic in-between for gods or other entities. Christianity only appropriated the caprine traits for Pan and Medieval esoteric research when the cloven-hoofed image of the Devil or Satan was first conceived.monkeymangler said:I have two friends who are furries. One of them makes high-quality fur suits for a living. Both are super cool dudes.
I remember when they had an actual convention in the city. Everything went well... until two people decided to have sex in their suits and the whole event was shut down. I remember my friend driving to their house and screaming at them for a good ten minutes about how they ruined the fun for everyone and are the assholes giving every other furry a bad name.
Thanks for that. It explained a lot and helps me understand better some of the behavior and things I have seen.IamLEAM1983 said:Part of the problem is that a lot of furries don't even bother to research the movement's roots. Before furries pop up, you have to look at Disney's anthropomorph animals, John Tenniel's humanoid Wonderland denizens and a solid century or so's worth of political caricatures that have used animals as shortcuts to the clear display of certain human traits. You can even go further back and observe the way a lot of Polytheist cultures use animals as clear iconographic in-between for gods or other entities. Christianity only appropriated the caprine traits for Pan and Medieval esoteric research when the cloven-hoofed image of the Devil or Satan was first conceived.monkeymangler said:I have two friends who are furries. One of them makes high-quality fur suits for a living. Both are super cool dudes.
I remember when they had an actual convention in the city. Everything went well... until two people decided to have sex in their suits and the whole event was shut down. I remember my friend driving to their house and screaming at them for a good ten minutes about how they ruined the fun for everyone and are the assholes giving every other furry a bad name.
Animals have a rich culture of *meaning* something to humans, right down to modern interpretations along the lines of Grandville, Blacksad or Marvel's own Howard the Duck. They're great at carrying a point or personality traits across in visual form. A walrus would be blustery, a fox would be sly, a dog could be faithful, selfless or hard-working and a cat could be a snob, etc.
Unfortunately, it feels like there's a minority that comes with some amount of sexual repression. They've projected onto anthros and furries and never needed to develop a conscious understanding of the fact that you can approach these figures in a non-sexual way.
So they visit conventions, hold it in as much as they can - and they sometimes crack. They've never gotten used to being socially responsible within their fursonas, seeing as they use them to give themselves sexual release. Something similar happens with the "animal kin", in the sense that they might end up thinking that any prospective romantic partner is going to want to nuzzle or play-bite.