All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households

[Mr. Q]

Not really surprised by this. Much like the GOP, Fox News is so out of touch with reality, it might as well forward their mail to Wackyland. One of the few things that keep me going is that, maybe one day, all of these worthless douche-bags on this planet will simultaneously die (in a painful and horrifying manner, hopefully) and finally free all of humanity from their endless stupidity.

 

[Zeraki]

I would be shocked... but this is Fox News.

Hopefully this will blow up in their faces.

Also... another thing that went through my mind while listening to that video.

Spoiler

 

[Hagi]

You know...

If they'd just replace the Fox New logo with a History Channel logo it'd actually be a pretty good channel, it'd be a bit like those people reenacting historical battles except about extreme conservatives 65 years ago. You know, get a nice historical mood going so you feel that extra bit thankful for all the great and amazing things we have these days.

 

[lacktheknack]

I never understood how they could be so deeply rooted in "gender roles" when they're basing off a worldview that views marriage as "a union resulting in one flesh".

That's... kind of anti-gender roles.

 

[Ursinedriver]

Can I be kind of nice and say, these guys legitimately don't know what they're talking about. Like listening to them it sounds less like they want women out of the workforce, and more like they think if a woman is bringing home the bacon, her husband has either left or lost his job. I get the feeling if you showed them a home where the mother was gainfully employed and the father had decided to stay at home with the kids, they wouldn't have to much of a problem.

Besides that, we don't know where the numbers they are quoting come from. If it's just a survey of households, thats one thing, but it could be a survey of families where the husband was laid off. Of course that comes from just watching the 4 min clip, and I could be completely wrong. This might just be a bunch of bigoted old men.

Hey at least they're not talking about reproductive rights.
There's nothing that says Faux News better than five old men telling me that birth control shouldn't be covered by health care, but Viagra is 100% a must.

I have half a mind to send them the links on how they have now successfully fertilized an egg using only female cells making men no longer necessary for sperm.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/men-no-longer-necessary-for-sperm-production/750

If their reaction to women working is that bad, can you you imagine their reaction to reading that?! HAHAHAHAHA!

Welp, pack it up boys. We're done here. Ladies, I hope you do a better job with the planet.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Oh gods. Did you guys read the comments on that second link? My mind... is full... of urges

:/ Nah. I think I've heard all the dumb things I need to today. Thanks for the warning.
Besides, Susan is leaving the Escapist, so I'm not in the mood to becomes sad about the human race today.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Yea, it's a real shame, Men lost the rights to a lot of things when we lost our tails.

At least they found something bad about it: like most things in the world women being the breadwinners will cause old men to overreact and grumble on uselessly.

 

[tardcore]

One thing I've yet to see data on is how many of these 40% are making the same salary as a male in the same position. Because if the trend for women to be payed less than men at the same job is still in effect then maybe some more discussion on the issue IS needed. Not the archaic knee jerk reactionary bullshit the idiots at fox are perpetrating but certainly something better than the rather immature "Yaboo sucks to you people with testicles" attitude we've been seeing from the other side.

In short I feel the 40% is a great thing. However if a good amount of that 40% is still being financially discriminated against based on gender then I feel there's still a big fucking problem. So I wouldn't start the orgy of self back patting while chanting "We's free We's free!" just yet.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

A lot of people on this site argue about how there's no sexism in the workplace and women get less pay because of 'life choices'. No, old people like this are the reason. People born in the 40's and 50's are still in charge of a lot of companies.

And, damn modern medicine is making them live longer! x(

I am afraid that is some way: you did misquote me.
I have stated throughout this forum that if women do not want to have children and be the primary caregiver then good on them. There is no issue here. I plan to pursue my own career.

I am pursuing my own career.

However, when the time comes and I settle down I will need to make a decision when it comes to my children. I will probably quite work and conform.

I'm not telling anyone how anybody should live. I am stating my opinion and I'm sorry if you find it obscene but please read this again: I AM NOT FORCING IT ON ANYONE. I STATED PREVIOUSLY THAT IF YOU WISH TO PURSUE A CAREER WITH CHILDREN THEN GREAT. Me? I'd raise my family.

Also, I like how you decide to insult me just because you disagree with me.
Very mature.

It wasn't very mature, but I still find the sentiment very insulting. That you consider it our "expected" role in life, that somehow by not choosing that I am abnormal and am not fully using my capabilities as a woman. That one is lesser for it, and also that men are somehow ill-equipped to do so. Trying to think of it that way just makes me feel even less like having children. If there's any shame in it, it's the shame of putting myself in a situation similar to those who feel a woman has any sort of inherent duty to give up on everything she desires to raise a kid, and that men do not have a similar duty, and that for some arbitrary reason the two aren't allowed to trade roles. The very thought of such a thing makes me resentful of a possible future with children.

This reminds me of those male nannies (the Mannies, yes they picked that name). Tried to start a business of all male nannies.

:/ You can guess how that went......

 

[Lilani]

This reminds me of those male nannies (the Mannies, yes they picked that name). Tried to start a business of all male nannies.

:/ You can guess how that went......

Yeah, that's one of those things those MRA people should be complaining about, rather than just going on about opening doors for women and "feminazis" and such. It is much harder for a man to get any sort of child-care job than a woman, because of the rampant fear of pedophilia. It's definitely discrimination, but people just aren't aware it's a problem yet or are willing to excuse it because they don't see it as a big deal.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Woman earning enough to provide for their household? What madness is this? Next they will be asking for the vote and to leave the house without a male escort

In all serious how can these men be so brain dead. Of course woman these days OFTEN bring in a substantial part of their household income. The cost of living is continuing to rise and having two working parents in a household is virtually the norm now. And that is saying nothing about single parents or in other words households where the only income is from a woman. How did these guys think single mothers provided for their households before they found out about these statistic? God damn it Fox New go sit in the corner and learn some common sense!

 

[Stilkon]

'Tis to be expected with Fox. It's really not that uncommon now; my mom's a self-employed speech therapist, my dad's a middle school math teacher. Guess who makes more?

The great irony is that they're both conservative, and absolutely love Fox News. I don't think this is a conservative thing, or even a capitalist thing; you'd think that in an ideal capitalist system, it'd average out to be about a 50/50 split.

 

[ssgt splatter]

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Motherf***ing FACEPALM!!!!!

You know what? If the Daily Show and the Colbert Report ever went off the air, we'd still have FOX News to make us laugh. Cause really, FOX and these two shows, aren't that far apart.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

This reminds me of those male nannies (the Mannies, yes they picked that name). Tried to start a business of all male nannies.

:/ You can guess how that went......

Yeah, that's one of those things those MRA people should be complaining about, rather than just going on about opening doors for women and "feminazis" and such. It is much harder for a man to get any sort of child-care job than a woman, because of the rampant fear of pedophilia. It's definitely discrimination, but people just aren't aware it's a problem yet or are willing to excuse it because they don't see it as a big deal.

"Feminazis". Ugh.

I wonder how many people using that term actually know where it came from.

Spoiler: Not Fox. Worse. Much worse...

 

[Nantucket_v1legacy]

It wasn't very mature, but I still find the sentiment very insulting. That you consider it our "expected" role in life, that somehow by not choosing that I am abnormal and am not fully using my capabilities as a woman. That one is lesser for it, and also that men are somehow ill-equipped to do so. Trying to think of it that way just makes me feel even less like having children. If there's any shame in it, it's the shame of putting myself in a situation similar to those who feel a woman has any sort of inherent duty to give up on everything she desires to raise a kid, and that men do not have a similar duty, and that for some arbitrary reason the two aren't allowed to trade roles. The very thought of such a thing makes me resentful of a possible future with children.

I am in no means trying to make you feel abnormal by not having the opinion of women are the primary caregiver and therefore should have children. If you do not want to have children then fair play-- you will probably have a bit more money in your pocket and a lot less hassle because of it.

I do not believe all women should give up their dreams and ambitions in the name of a child. I would without a shadow of the doubt if my circumstances allowed it. I don't expect to marry and have kids until I am into my 30s anyway -- I like being single and having money in my pocket at the moment.

But I was raised in a family with two brothers who were raised to have a good work ethic. Whereas my brothers were never expected to do their laundry, make their beds or clean their bedrooms: I was. And yes it was because I was a woman. My mother told me at some point in life I would marry and the man would work all week, like my own dad, and someone would have to look after him and whatever kids came along. Like I sad, I was raised in a strict Conservatory family.

I went to college and then got a job. This job is turning into a career and I will do my best to meet all my aspirations but once a baby is brought into the world, I have to make that decision. I would quit work if I could. If money was tight then I would work part-time and still try to do my best for the child. I wouldn't depend solely on my spouse if he could not afford it.

I've always believed that without woman there is no man.
Men remain young boys all their life whereas women have to take responsibility and grow up.

I don't feel any issue accepting the role as a housewife. As long as it was not forced on me then I would gladly become the housewife and look after my family.

 

[Animyr]

Spoiler: Not Fox. Worse. Much worse...

Oh, man. I have to know the reasoning behind that statement.

 

[Erttheking]

(All of them men by the way, go fucking figure)

Irrelevant.

They don't represent all men, you wouldn't bring up their sex if they made some other retarded statement or claim.

You don't see people saying "Male Fox news panel claims it doesn't believe in evolution" and then follow up with "Men, whadya gonna do"

They're idiots and they said something stupid. Their sex doesn't matter.

Stop sensationalising.

I'm just pointing out that they didn't feel the need to bring in a woman to these gender based matter.

 

[Bluestorm83]

I...I...I don't fucking even.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/fox-female-breadwinners_n_3358926.html

Long story short, a recent survey show that 4 out of 10 households have women as the primary or lone sources of income in the household. And these people (All of them men by the way, go fucking figure) are trying to paint this as a BAD thing. Saying "The politicians won't admit this." Frankly if I were a politician, this is a statistic I'd be waving around with a smile on my face.

They also share such pearls of wisdom as "something going terribly wrong in American society, and it's hurting our children, and it's going to have impact for generations to come"

And "When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society, and other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it's not antithesis, or it's not competing, it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships in nuclear families, and it's tearing us apart."

Congratulations Fox News, you've reached a whole new level of stupid!

Granted a co-worker (And a woman, imagine that!) responded with can basically be summarized as WTF

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/have-these-men-lost-their-minds-and-these-are-my-colleagues-oh-brotheri-need-to-have-a-little-chat-with-them/

But...fucks sake.

--- What's wrong with saying "When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society, and other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it's not antithesis, or it's not competing, it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships in nuclear families, and it's tearing us apart?" He's saying that human beings are built to function in certain roles. That's not discriminatory, that's just a fact. I can't walk with my hands, eat with my ears, think with my knee, or see with my armpit. A thing is the thing which it is. Let me say that again in all caps, set off on its own.

A THING IS THE THING WHICH IT IS.

I am that which I am. I am not that which I am not. We're living in a society of bullshit spouting idiots who would call a scorpion "an egg" in fear of offending the scorpion if they didn't. You can't be a "woman trapped in a man's body." That's a BULLSHIT STATEMENT. You CAN be a Man who WISHES he was a woman. You can even be a man who's had his genitals removed and sculpted into a non-functional image of a woman's genetalia. I'm not going to stop you. But a thing is the thing which it is. Men are Men. Women are Women. Anyone who tries to say that one is better than another is a goddamn biggot and a moron. Men are physically built to be more combat ready than women. Women are built to foster and nurture further human life. CAN a woman who is physically able do a more physically demanding job? Sure, so long as she's fit for it. CAN a man be nurturing and sensitive? Yes, if he's fit for it. If those are qualities of who they are.

To lament the increase of female breadwinners is NOT to be outraged that women are doing jobs. It is to be incenced that other "men" out there are neglecting THEIR roles as the first line of survival. We exist to bear the brunt of all the bullshit that's dangerous to the continuation of our existence: our wives and the children they can bear and nurture. Any male who neglects that responsibility is no man.