All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households

Lilani

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Nantucket said:
I am going to be controversial now and say... why is it that women are now making more money than men? Don't get me wrong -- it's marvellous and as a woman I hope to do the same.

That is... until I get married.

Perhaps it's because of the strict conservatism I was raised in but I do believe that a woman's role is to look after the children. If the mother wants to work then she gets a part-time job because that way she can still be there for the children. It's the man who is out 40 hours a week putting food on the table and supporting the family.

I know everybody will disagree with me but that's my opinion.
There are many things that can contribute to a woman being the primary breadwinner. The woman may simply have a higher-paying job. These days, most colleges are graduating many more women than men. Or, and I don't know the exact parameters of the poll so I can't be sure about this, but perhaps this also includes single-parent homes in which the mother is the only parent. This would naturally make the woman the breadwinner by default, and if that is included in the statistic then I think that makes the most alarming thing about this the fact that so many men are ducking out of parental duties that it's skewing income statistics.

None of this is about women fulfilling any preset "roles." Women are finally being allowed to pursue whatever "roles" they see fit for themselves, and these are the results. I don't want to raise kids right now, hell I don't even know if I ever want kids at all. I want to do motion graphics and graphic design. Quite frankly, if you can't accept that women should be able to pursue their own desires, then that shows a deep disrespect toward the autonomy of women. You don't think women deserve the right to choose where they go in life, you think you know exactly where they belong. As much as men deserve to stay at home with the kids if they feel, a woman should be able to hold down a job. This isn't up for debate, it's a simple fact of human rights.
 

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The Baby Boomers are -to put it simply- a pretty fucking stupid generation. These last twenty years have really showed us their true colors. As it stands right now, we're just waiting for this generation to die out. Give us a few decades and America might make it all up.

Or we'll get worse. Who knows.
Honestly, I agree that the Baby Boomers are a pack of drooling idiots. However, I blame their parents, the "Greatest Generation" for that. They came back from "the war" in a post-war/post-depression boom that was partially created by the fact that we bombed the bejeezus out of every single major market competitor (not complaining, just stating a fact) and then had a free run of the market for a couple decades. This, combined with McCarthyism and the whole anti-atheism bit of the 1950s created this little bullshit idyllic world that the baby boomers grew up in. Their parents shielded them from the prior progression of half a century as well as the harsh reality of the market that lead to the Depression.

Now their wanton destruction of regulation has lead to another depression, sending us careening towards a new age of Robber Barons and their youth in the whitewashed world of 1950's nuclear family utopia makes them pine for a world that never actually existed in lower or middle class reality, aside from a short span of post-War bliss.

And it's their parents fault. They grew up in or after the Gilded Age, they saw the wild Market speculation (setting aside the whole collapse of the German banks ... thing... that came from WWI and the Treaty of Versailles) that lead to the Depression. Oh, and their parents never had to say "one nation, under God."

The Greatest Generation is squarely to blame for the stupidity of their children, in my opinion.
 

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Childe said:
Women and Men are supposed to compliment each other hence why each gender has their own skill sets and what they are good at.
Except... you know, they don't.

Genders don't have a skill set. People do. Complimentary skill sets do not necessarily imply Man/Woman mixes. In fact, (if we take stereotypes to be true) it'd be a lot easier for me to find a man that compliments my skill set than a woman, as my skills are those more typically associated with women.

Thankfully, my wife has a lot of the more "Masculine" traits.

For example:

I can cook large, multi-course meals. My wife, when I'm not home, subsists primarily on canned food.
My wife is a very decisive, organized person who likes being in charge. I'm perfectly content to let her make most of the day to day decisions.
My wife is better educated and gets paid more (she's got a doctorate, I have a bachelors).
My wife is generally uncomfortable around kids. I love kids.
My wife likes to keep things organized, but I do most of the actual cleaning.
My wife handles the finances, and even keeps a budget spreadsheet. When we first started sharing bills, we each took half to be responsible for, but she almost immediately started taking over mine anyway, so I just let her do her thing.
I'd rather stay home and watch a movie. My wife would rather go hiking/camping/fishing/etc.


In short, don't assume the "Typical Gender Skills" are actually typical. Most cases it's simply the case that society has told people these are the things their gender is supposed to be good at, so those are the ones they worked at.
 

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Sunrider84 said:
Whoa, Fox News are being retarded? But this means....it must be tuesday!

These guys are basically the news equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church. If all of them drowned, the world would be a better place.
But it's Friday!
Oh my. Nothing makes sense anymore.
This can only mean one thing. We're in the Darkest Timeline.



OT -
Yeah it is hardly surprising that Fox News does this now. But still, it would be nice to be surprised by this, rather than expecting it.
 

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Obviously we can all agree this is ridiculous, right? Right. I mean, my mother is the only source of income of our house, and it's not like she owns a business. She works as a nurse for a Urology center, not exactly fancy living. And you know what? She still manages to give my brother and I comfortable lives. My step father hasn't worked a day in years, since he claims disability because he seriously injured his back. (Doctors swear up and down that he can work again, just not incredibly physical jobs, but yet he claims he can't find a suitable job.) Not only that, but he's in prison at the moment. We just put a deposit on a new house for rent, bought a new 46" TV, and I get paid $20 a week for helping out with the house while I'm looking for a new job. My mother does damn well, and I see in no way how that could ever be a problem that she is the main provider for her family. Granted, my real father, who I still see, its not like theres any problem between us, still pays on an agreed on amount that my parents settled on without ever going to court because my family is smart (mostly) to help make sure my brother and I got food and clothes and still had a roof to live under. Sometimes I feel like my mom and dad think I'm just taking them for granted, but the truth is, I just looking for the right way to thank them.

Sorry I went off on this whole spiel. Point is, my mother is awesome and there is no "something terribly wrong with society" because of it.
 

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I am insulted, 4 out of 10 primary bread winners? Scandalous!

I mean, why not 5 out of 10? What's keeping that last 1 out of 10 from working?!

Heh, sorry, I couldn't resist. You know what animal those guys need to look at? Lions. It's the female lions that do all the work, all the hunting. The men? They exist only for making babies.

Is there some kind of giant newspaper I can use to smack FOX on the nose? No? Damn.
 

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Darken12 said:
Nantucket said:
I know everybody will disagree with me but that's my opinion.
As a man, I'd just like to say that I believe that all marriage duties are shared among all members of the marriage. Household maintenance? Everyday chores? Putting money on the table every day? Taking care of the children? Everything is the responsibility of all members of the marriage.
Agreed. I would like to "make it" as a successful author. Ideally to the point where I could easily support my family. An advantage of this is aside from publicity and whatnot, I wouldn't really be required to be anywhere, giving me a sweet amount of free time to do what I want. Gaming and drink mixing and hang gliding and shit.

And when the day comes, and I do decide to settle down and raise some of them there young'uns, that means I can spend a lot of time raising them and being there for them. If my wife wants to have a job, part time or otherwise, I'm happy for her to go and do it. I'll just be here teaching my kids various skills and life lessons. Like survivalism, and why pennies should be removed from our economy.

And it'll be the most gratifying experience of my life.
 

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Colour-Scientist said:
wombat_of_war said:
now im wondering what their solution would be? laws making sure males get priority over equally or better qualified women? or just laws making sure those uppity women stay bare foot and pregnant in the kitchen making dinner for the man folk
Probably the latter.
Up until the 60s in Ireland, if a woman was working in the civil service and got married, she was legally required to give up her job. I know that was the 60s but that's where these people live.
Same in the UK, for certain professions at least. Not sure how much was 'hard' legislative and how much was 'soft' legislative and social pressure though.

OT, that video is just beyond.
I was fucking waiting for an abortion reference.
I also love the implication that abortion is a direct consequence of women becoming independent, rather than at the very least some of the blame being upon the dude's testicles...

It's actually cringe-worthy to watch. They're literally just spouting scary sounding words and phrases. There isn't even any kind of debate about 'why women shouldn't work'. If they actually debated, they'd still be wrong, but at least there would be some kind of vaguely logically-followed thought process.

Just re-watched, and I like the fact that the opening statement is "[we're going to do] something we don't usually do - I want to turn to a study and research".
See, all you haters are wrong, Fox are being completely honest about their utter ignorance of statistics, science, studies, research, basic mathematics!
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
Hey at least they're not talking about reproductive rights.
There's nothing that says Faux News better than five old men telling me that birth control shouldn't be covered by health care, but Viagra is 100% a must.
But to deny a man an erection is birth control stupid /sarcasm*
 

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Alarien said:
The Baby Boomers are -to put it simply- a pretty fucking stupid generation. These last twenty years have really showed us their true colors. As it stands right now, we're just waiting for this generation to die out. Give us a few decades and America might make it all up.

Or we'll get worse. Who knows.
Honestly, I agree that the Baby Boomers are a pack of drooling idiots.
Let's be fair, they're not all bad.

Al Gore is a pretty decent guy, as far as I'm aware.
 

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I'm starting to wonder of Fox has been like the Onion the whole time and we've just been taking them seriously...
 

Lilani

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Nantucket said:
I believe women are dominant because raising a family has to be one of the hardest things you'll ever do in life.
Men swan off to work everyday thus leaving the woman alone with a temperamental human being. You don't stop - they are demanding little cretins from dawn until dusk.

I don't see any shame in a woman's expected role in life.
If she wants something more then all the best. But maintaining a household, working on a marriage (which isn't easy! I've seen my parents fight, struggle and cry) and raising children to be acceptable people of society is not easy.
There's one other thing I'd like to point out, and I'm quoting you to make sure the message gets through because editing doesn't always work.

I want you to think about what you're saying, here. Like, really hard. You are saying that another human being should live the life they want because you have decided that what you want for them is more important. That human being has plans for themself, they want to go in a certain direction and live their life a certain way. Just like you. But that person is just a bit different from you, and that is just enough for you to feel they just aren't worthy of chasing that dream.

You want women to give up their ambitions and not live the lives they choose for themselves because you think the most they can contribute to the world is popping out babies. That is absurd. That is vile. That is obscene. You do not tell another human what they can and can't do. End of story. The only way you can believe you have any authority to tell women what they are and aren't best suited for is if you think they are naturally subservient to you. So if you reply to either post I've made to you, let it be this one. And respond in one of two ways. You can tell me that women are inferior to men, are unable to choose for themselves the lives they should lead and so need men to get them pregnant so they always have something to do. Or, you can tell me that you were wrong and that women deserve the same level of human dignity and autonomy as anyone else on God's green earth.

And don't fucking tell me having a kid is the hardest thing I'll ever do. I know plenty of single moms who are doing just fine because their baby-daddies either ran off or got themselves thrown in jail. Where I'm standing, that shit's pretty easy. It's convincing stubborn people that I deserve to do what I want regardless of the presence of my vagina that seems to be an insurmountable task.

Edited because I got a bit mean, there. That was unnecessary.
 

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First of all, it's FOX NEWS (well, business, but w/e), smart people see it as the longest running reality comedy show on TV. They (Fox) have made more and more outlandish claims with things that are wrong with society ever since Obama took office (I think at one point one reporter DID call him the anti-Christ, but I could be wrong). You just have to take it all with a grain of salt and VOTE!!!!

Yeah, vote. Why? Because the people who actually believe what Lou and Shawn Hannity and Bill O'Reily, etc. are the people who vote to keep politicians in office who like the rich, hate video games, think women are lower than men, sacrifice chickens and think poor people should be put to death. (OK, maybe not that last one). So go vote, people. That is all.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've gotta go find my tinfoil hat. Cause, hey, you never know.
 

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I want to say "Fox News" and leave the thread, but this is an entirely new level of schtoopid.

Seriously, what's wrong these people, and why are they given time on a nationwide television channel in.. any country? D:
 

Lilani

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Childe said:
I have to agree with the women and men compliment each other bit. We seem to have forgotten this but life is not men versus women and relationships are not men control everything or women control everything. That's what life HAS become but it's wrong. Women and Men are supposed to compliment each other hence why each gender has their own skill sets and what they are good at.
Life isn't about what you're good at, it's about what you desire to do. You may find a person that's the best astro-physicist in the world, but if they want to be a chef instead then there's nothing you can do about it. We are finally at a point in history where women are free to do what they want, and these statistics show that women want to hold down jobs, with or without kids. If you think there's anything "wrong" with humans living the lives they choose, then please, tell me about your plan to get women out of colleges and back into the kitchen. Let's right this "wrong" we've unleashed on society. I'll keep a running tab on the number of crimes against humanity you commit in the process--that'll be our way of measuring the success of the program.
 

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At 2:17 swear to god that black dude almost said all these politicians 'are a bunch of pussies'.
 

Lilani

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Mimsofthedawg said:
Like most things used to attack Fox News, this is taken out of context. Clearly, before this particular segment aired, they were talking about the degradation of certain aspects of society, such as men not being able to find jobs, increased divorce rates, more children born out of wedlock, etc. Some of these things may not seem like such a big deal to some of you, but when this statistic is used in this particular context, it can bring up some interesting questions.

No one's upset that women are getting more jobs. People are upset about the context behind women getting those jobs. It's not as if, according to these people, that women are moving up on the social ladder, replacing their husbands white collar jobs with white collar jobs of their own. This is like a woman working a minimum wage job, only to have her husband leave her and then being forced to take on a second minimum wage job while raising her kids on her own.

Juan Williams in particular is VERY progressive and VERY Liberal. you can be sure he would not have said what he said unless contextually it makes sense. And it only makes sense from the perspective I've just outlined.

But this doesn't relate to the guy who said that BS about men being dominant biologically or whatever. He's just crazy.
"You look at biology, you look at the natural roles of a male and a female in society. You look at other animals, the male is the dominant role, the female is not the antithesis, it's not competing it's a complimentary role. We as the people of a smart society have lost the ability to have a complimentary relationship."

You may be convinced they aren't trying to say women are inferior to men and shouldn't be choosing to have jobs, but I'm afraid the panel itself disagrees.
 

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To me, the important number in this study is not 40%, its 25%. Out of the 40% total only 15% is a two parent household where the woman is the money earner. Thats an interesting trend, and you can probably say that theres a lot of cultural issues being confronted, but to me its a non-issue. However, what is a very big and disturbing issue is that 25%. The fact that 25% of kids are being raised by a single mother compared with 7.3% only 50 years ago is quite disturbing. That my friends is a travesty. Now before I get "Oh you're a misogynist thinking women can raise kids on their own", I'll stop you right there. The problem would still exist if it was a single father. Children almost always have better chances in a two parent house hold, whether its a mother/father household, or a gay/lesbian couple; I don't care. Out of one parent households almost 30% [http://www.policymic.com/articles/11316/27-3-of-single-parent-households-live-in-poverty], are under the poverty line, as opposed to about 7% for two parent households. Kids with a healthy family environment do better, that means two parents, and to make it even better, grandparents and other relatives as well. This gives more opportunity to learn and grow.