Ammunition and reloading in games
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Red Orchestra did this. It worked really well too.Gerrawn said:
The OPs idea seems good and all, my main gripe with it is that it could quickly become really, really annoyingly, mind shatteringly boring. There would have to be some way to do it "in the background" or have the game automatically perform it at certain point (ie. you return to your safe house/the local bar and have the option "reload mags when in safety" turned on) otherwise I can imagine how it becomes a real gamebreaker to sit with R pressed down for 30 seconds on end after every gunfight just to refill your magazines.
because of the following
A: game dev i assume are lazy
B: that would take so much time and effort to make each magazine of each gun and each shell/bullet
C: it would probably destroy whatever it's on
think of it like this, while your saving or some shit the character starts putting all the clips together so they are full
A: game dev i assume are lazy
B: that would take so much time and effort to make each magazine of each gun and each shell/bullet
C: it would probably destroy whatever it's on
think of it like this, while your saving or some shit the character starts putting all the clips together so they are full
If you went two realistic, a couple shots and you'd be down. I always wondered how a FPS would play if someone shot you in the leg and you immediately were crippled.
I like the idea of knowing your ammunition to the bare bone so you plan around it, but I think the casual gamer would be turned off.
I like the idea of knowing your ammunition to the bare bone so you plan around it, but I think the casual gamer would be turned off.
Altorin said:I would imagine his rifle is more powerful then that tommy gun.S.R.S. said:What about the big guns? Would you need to wear protection then?Marine Mike said:
e.g.
(not a big gun. I needed an example)
OT: I would hate it if ALL games did this, but if a few of them decided to.. ehh, it's their game, they can do what they want, I just won't play it.
Just a little bigger than a tommy gun...
As for BIG guns, the only one I felt absolutely needed earplugs was my MK153 SMAW. Contrary to video game sound effects, rocket launchers are LOUD!
I dunno, I'm not particularly keen on sitting around and waiting for an animation that consolidates my ammunition to play for five minutes after every fight. If you're going for this level of realism, why do you have a HUD or an aiming reticule? It works in Red Orchestra, but you die and respawn with fresh clips every couple of minutes.
Some people ask why most games don't simulate chambered rounds properly (as in if I have a gun with a clip with 30 bullets, fire off a few rounds, and reload, I should have 31 bullets loaded; additionally, if I pull the trigger in the middle of reloading, I should be able to fire that extra chambered bullet), but frankly it doesn't have much of an impact on gameplay and few people will ever notice.
Some people ask why most games don't simulate chambered rounds properly (as in if I have a gun with a clip with 30 bullets, fire off a few rounds, and reload, I should have 31 bullets loaded; additionally, if I pull the trigger in the middle of reloading, I should be able to fire that extra chambered bullet), but frankly it doesn't have much of an impact on gameplay and few people will ever notice.
That's what I thought too, but Heavy Rain seems to be doing pretty well for itself...Auric said:
On topic, I do like the idea. There aren't enough truly gritty first-person survival-horror games out there. One of my dream games is a game like this where at the start, you wake up in a ruined building or something with no memory or how you got there or where you are, and all around you is a desolate world filled with monsters and such. You never meet another living, talking friendly NPC in the game - you have to figure out what's going on in the setting purely by picking through the ruins and terrain for clues. No HUD, just buttons that let you look at your clip and rummage through your bag.
The first Socom game (Socom US Navy SEALS PS2 game) had a realistic reloading system. If you have 5 mags and you fire 1 round out of each of them, you would have 5 mags with 1 round missing. If you get what im saying.
If you fire 1/2 a mag and reload to a full one then reload again (because the reload cycle is sequential) youll come back to that half full magazine eventually.
You can just keep reloading back to that mag if you want,even if you have 4 out of 5 clips full.
You can get your ammo back if you take it from dead enemies.assuming theyre gun is the same caliber as yours. 5.56x45,7.62x39,11.43x23 etc... Theyre bullets magicaly find theyre way into your pockets lol.
But the reloading is cool about that game.
I see what your saying, I like realisic games as well.
If you fire 1/2 a mag and reload to a full one then reload again (because the reload cycle is sequential) youll come back to that half full magazine eventually.
You can just keep reloading back to that mag if you want,even if you have 4 out of 5 clips full.
You can get your ammo back if you take it from dead enemies.assuming theyre gun is the same caliber as yours. 5.56x45,7.62x39,11.43x23 etc... Theyre bullets magicaly find theyre way into your pockets lol.
But the reloading is cool about that game.
I see what your saying, I like realisic games as well.
You should play Resident Evil Out Break 1 and 2.BrynThomas said:
The most realistic reloading available. You might like it.
I do I'm playing them right now. PS2 games BTW also they're hard to find.
The online servers are shutdown for them(sad face)
I would like survival games to have this but not fast pased action games, In Metal Gear games if you empty a whole mag it ends up your inventory as a way of distracting people.
all the rainbow 6 games did this i beleive...
i think its a good idea but, as it has been said by other people, it wouldnt work for every game.. altho i do also agree it would be amazing at creating tense moments in survival/horror games
i think its a good idea but, as it has been said by other people, it wouldnt work for every game.. altho i do also agree it would be amazing at creating tense moments in survival/horror games
As nifty as the idea sounds, the average person that just likes playing videogames with guns in them would likely be pissed off at such a contortion of a seemingly simple concept. Thus, they would be angry, sales would drop, and videogame developers would never try such an endeavor again. As much as some people may like it, it would likely be a minority that takes pride in detail.
Only in Hardcore mode thoughS.R.S. said:
It does sound like a good idea, for like BioShock, low lighting, deep atmosphere and all that
Like others have said i think it could be good if done right with something like Resident Evil but also as stated having to stand there after every fight to make sure all your magazines are topped up to not be left empty at that crucial moment would become tiresome.
Perhaps the option to "hold the reload button" while running around could be included as generally there are a lot of times when you get the opportunity to go for a little jog to take item A to point B, this would speed up the process and take away the frustration of standing around forever. Additionally could impose an extra time penalty for reloading while moving, say 30% speed of if u were standing still for example.
This way you might still get forced to wait a minute to finish off the reloading before walking through a suspicious boss looking door but you would have the option to just go with what you got from running about. The careful micro-managers will always be ready for anything but the rushing risk style of play will not be completely lost from being forced to stand there filling a clip for a fight every time.
Perhaps the option to "hold the reload button" while running around could be included as generally there are a lot of times when you get the opportunity to go for a little jog to take item A to point B, this would speed up the process and take away the frustration of standing around forever. Additionally could impose an extra time penalty for reloading while moving, say 30% speed of if u were standing still for example.
This way you might still get forced to wait a minute to finish off the reloading before walking through a suspicious boss looking door but you would have the option to just go with what you got from running about. The careful micro-managers will always be ready for anything but the rushing risk style of play will not be completely lost from being forced to stand there filling a clip for a fight every time.
Play SWAT4, it has all that.OmegaXzors said:
I played a few levels of that game and it should never become the standard for mainstream shooters. I mean, one unlucky hit and it takes three or four times as long to do anything. And if you're going to reduce the effects of an injured leg/arm, then there's no point of having such a damage system.
Somewhat On-Topic: It might be the games I grew up with but.. Fuck realism. IMO a physics system should only be used to make pretty explosions. Escort missions? Fuck them. If it moves, turn it in an explosion of gore. Locked doors? That's what a rocket launcher is for.
More related to the thread: horrible idea IMO, at some point games stop being fun and this idea puts a shooter in "Microsoft Flight Simulator" territory.
Oh yeah it would definitely need an auto reload in safehouses, loading zones, etc. My idea is not to have you have to do the tedious reloading that often, just a couple of times at most, the more you play the game the more you'd try to conserve ammunition and reload where appropriate rather than all the time.Gethsemani said:
