Analyst: Xbox One Could Outship PS4 3-to-1

[Revolutionary]

What I think a lot of people in this thread are failing to comprehend is that "outship" does not mean outsell.
OT: I still want a fresh prince of bel air throne with my console, microsoft.

Microsoft has a serious viable yeild issue with the eSRAM memory its using in the xbone.
this has been known for some time.

so either this analyst is crap or MS is planning to sell a load of bricks.

Please read the article before posting.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Isn't that because it's suppposedly much less well engineered than the PS4?

And much cheaper?

Except for Kinect.

Which apparently costs as much as the console to make...

Seems like a clever strategy to me...

> both budget tablet technology from AMD.
>> well engineered.


The hardware is a joke. There is no two ways around around it. The only reason its considered "better" now is because the current gen hardware is 7 years old.

There is no difference in engineering, both went in with the bare minimum of what they could get otherwise they might lose money because of the shaky industry.

I wrote an in depth response to this but then I remembered who you are and decided not to waste my time and effort.

Wait a minute. I'm confused by this. Perhaps you can help explain this to me. Soooo...

You wrote an in depth response. You then erased said response in remembrance of whom you were replying to. Then declared the in depth response a waste of your time an effort.

Uh, didn't you waste more time and effort writing, and then erasing, your in depth response? Wouldn't have been a less wasted effort just replying with the initial response in the first place and then, if you got a reply back, to just ignore it? Seems to me there's just a whole lot of waste all around.

Like the XBone.

 

[Albino Boo]

I'm guessing this is only in terms of the USA? Wouldn't be surprised if the XBox outsells the PS4 there. But worldwide? (Or "21 select international destinations" wide?)

Its talking worldwide. What people have failed to realise is because you can log on worldwide does not mean on sale worldwide.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

How can this guy call himself an analyst?

Bad press, more expensive, less powerful, potential overheating issues, mandatory Big Brother, available in less than half the countries that the PS4 is available in at launch. And more people are ordering the PS4 than they're ordering the Xbone. Jesus fuckin' Christ the math is so obvious.

 

[CriticalMiss]

Did they? I didn't see that reported anywhere at all

And I already have Sky. It's mostly shit, glad I don't pay for it.

I just had a google looking for the original article and most are updated to say it was just a rumour and Sky are denying it, but that was about Sky giving out Xbones with certain subscriptions and not Sky offering TV services. They already do TV stuff through the 360 so it doesn't seem too wild to speculate that they will do something with the Xbone, though apparently nothing has been written in stone.

 

[The White Hunter]

Did they? I didn't see that reported anywhere at all

And I already have Sky. It's mostly shit, glad I don't pay for it.

I just had a google looking for the original article and most are updated to say it was just a rumour and Sky are denying it, but that was about Sky giving out Xbones with certain subscriptions and not Sky offering TV services. They already do TV stuff through the 360 so it doesn't seem too wild to speculate that they will do something with the Xbone, though apparently nothing has been written in stone.

I did see that and thats why I thought that nothing was in stone for it. It's basically doing what other devices already do for me.

Like my PC... or my PS3... ¬_¬

 

[GoaThief]

Microsoft has a serious viable yeild issue with the eSRAM memory its using in the xbone.
this has been known for some time.

so either this analyst is crap or MS is planning to sell a load of bricks.

Please read the article before posting.

i'm not going to click through every link in a news post but just for you i did and there is zero mention of the eSRAM issue either here or there so what exactly are you getting it ?

MS has a known and very serious component supply problem.

there's is no way it will fulfil preorders at a 3 to 1 margin over the PS4 unless it knowingly ships units that will brick and while that might allow them to boast about shifting more units to both the press and the markets while offering replacements to customers at a later date (as they did with the 50% failure rate on the 360) its a damn shitty thing to do customers.

Was just about to post something similar myself, surely they couldn't afford another RROD fiasco on top of their bad press plus significantly more expensive console. It would kill them.

 

[Poetic Nova]

Dream on Colin, dream on.

Not many people care about the Xbone anyway.

 

[Denamic]

How does a logistics advantage carry anything past the first few weeks? Both Sony and Microsoft will have a metric fuckton of preorders to fill, and it's obvious that the one with better supply lines will ship more units in a given period of time. Once the launch weeks are over, none of that matters any more.

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

Unit's Shipped do not mean Unit's sold.
/thread.

Major QFT.
A massive supply train means jack all if nobody buys the damn things. With the massive PR disaster that the Xbone has created with it's launch, coupled with a higher pricetag, the PS4 has a pretty good advantage for this console generation.

 

[Yopaz]

Unit's Shipped do not mean Unit's sold.
/thread.

It's also worth noting that it "could" outship. Also (according to a source I will give in a bit) GameStop claims they were given very few units compared to how many PS4s they were given and both Amazon and GameStop seems to have reached the limit of what they can deliver at launch.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/2013/07/23/microsoft-xbox-one-pre-orders-through-the-roof-at-gamestop

Personally I don't know what to think. I don't care enough to do a deep research to determine if this analyst is on to something or not. Maybe they really have as many consoles as they claim, maybe they will sell enough to meet their own wild expectations (this I will admit that I doubt though). I wish that for once we would wait and see before we determine who won a console war that hasn't even started yet (too idealistic, I know).

 

[Matthi205]

> both budget tablet technology from AMD.
>> well engineered.


The hardware is a joke. There is no two ways around around it. The only reason its considered "better" now is because the current gen hardware is 7 years old.

There is no difference in engineering, both went in with the bare minimum of what they could get otherwise they might lose money because of the shaky industry.

Um. How little do you know about hardware, exactly?

AMD Jaguar isn't high-end, but it's still around an i5-3xxx performance-wise, and gives more performance if the games get optimised for the large number of integer cores.

Pretty much all of AMD's APUs are decent, and produce OK results.

Though one thing I'll give you, in terms that you'll understand:
PS3 Cell CPU: very very very powerful
Intel i7 Haswell/Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge CPU: 1/4th to 1/3rd as powerful as Cell
AMD Trinity APU: about 1/5th as powerful as Cell
XBox PowerPC CPU: about 1/6th to 1/5th as powerful as Cell, due to bad cooling and old Xenon design

PS3 RSX GPU: shit
XBox ATi GPU: crap, about level with the PS3 GPU
PS4 GPU: HD7770 equivalent: good (can play Crysis 2 on highest on PC with a more or less decent framerate)
XBOne GPU: HD7750 equivalent: good, but about 20-30% worse than the PS4's, depending on game and effects used.

The only real innovation that console manufacturers made is that they offer much more RAM in their consoles:
PS3: 256 MB RAM+256 MB VRAM, both XDR
XBox: 512 MB shared
PS4: 8192MB shared GDDR5 (clock speeds up to 6-7GHz)
XBOne: 8192MB shared (AFAIK) GDDR3 (normal clock speeds don't exceed 3GHz for this type of VRAM)

For console games, this DOES NOT MATTER. Since portability isn't an issue, with console games you can code straight to the hardware and can "cheat" on effects.
If you wanted these consoles because they're cheap gaming-capable HTPCs and were to install a conventional OS on them, like Linux or Windows, the PS4 would be the better choice.

Both companies WILL lose money at the start, it's basically inevitable for them.


I don't really trust analysts. But seeing as the PS3 launch was a disaster, the PS4 launch could be one, too. That would also be the only way for Microsoft to get in on the parents-buying-their-kids-a-console-for-christmas business.

 

[Karadalis]

Without demand it doesnt matter if your supply is better.

IF no one wants to buy your product it doesnt matter if you have the best supply network in the world

 

[LordMonty]

So long short of it, sony need to raise there game. Get the hardware out there and win the war(at least round 2 - sell stuff).

 

[RicoADF]

Well yeah.
Microsoft has a huge built in fan base. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if it didn't out sell the PS4 by miles.

In America it's a bigger fanbase, worldwide the PS actually is larger. Regardless, the PS3 showed how having a massive fanbase one generation doesn't guarentee it the next, Sony lost alot for quite awhile and took years to earn them back. Microsoft has now pulled the PS3 error and will fail the same way but without the earning back.

 

[Xan Krieger]

What I get out of this article is that stores will have a bunch of xbox ones sitting in the back collecting dust while they run out of PS4s.

 

[ssgt splatter]

Didn't I see an online pention or something to actually bring back some, if not all, of the old DRM policies? Does anyone know anything about this?

I saw it on the IGN app on the 360.

Either way, since GTA 5 is only being released for this generation, I won't be buying either one any time soon. I'd rather play that game for a while before investing in some new hardware. Also, it'll give me a chance to observe both consoles performances.