Ancient DNA Raising New Ideas About Colonization of The Americas

Rhykker

Level 16 Scallywag
Feb 28, 2010
814
0
0
Ancient DNA Raising New Ideas About Colonization of The Americas




DNA recovered from a body buried in Montana 12,600 years ago has been linked to modern American Indians, and its ancestry has been traced back to Asia.

Researchers have recovered DNA from a baby buried in Montana 12,600 years ago and linked it to today's American Indians, as well as other native peoples of the Americas. Based on artifacts found with the body, the boy is believed to have been a part of the Clovis culture, which existed in North American from about 13,000 years ago to about 12,600 years ago.

The boy's genome is the oldest ever recovered from the New World, and it revealed that his people were direct ancestors of many of today's native peoples in the Americas. While the skeleton was discovered in 1968, scientists have only recently developed the ability to recover and analyze complete genomes from such ancient samples.

The DNA also pointed to ancestry originating from Asia, which lends further credence to the standard idea of ancient migration to the Americas by way of a land bridge that has long since vanished. According to Dennis O'Rourke, an ancient DNA expert at the University of Utah who wasn't involved in the project, the results of this research will "raise a whole host of new ideas and hypotheses" about the early colonization of the Americas.

Source: Sante Fe New Mexican [http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/health_and_science/ancient-baby-dna-suggests-tie-to-native-americans/article_95420537-4f07-5f41-b47f-2c8ae0d4243a.html]


Permalink
 

Reed Spacer

That guy with the thing.
Jan 11, 2011
841
0
0
Yes, but will they use it to create an army of zombie cavemen?

That's the real issue here.
 
Sep 14, 2009
9,073
0
0
holy shitt, do they just have a fort knox of old shit like that lying around? that fucker was found 46 years ago...

still pretty cool though, if only this was here before the big bill nye debate to give his side some fresh material.
 

Reed Spacer

That guy with the thing.
Jan 11, 2011
841
0
0
wombat_of_war said:
that solves a mystery. they have always been wondering where the clovis people came from
And they would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids scientists...
 

Thaluikhain

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 16, 2010
18,476
3,464
118
"lends further credence to the standard idea"

Yeah...not that exciting to have yet more proof for something generally accepted anyway.

Having said that, there'd be other implications of this, just not so much that one.
 

CommanderL

New member
May 12, 2011
835
0
0
Pohaturon said:
"Ancient DNA"

I was going all stargate, but then I read the rest of the title.
I want to go to atlantis, dammit!
damn you I was going to bring up stargate (^_^) But this is still cool even though its less awesome then finding an ancient
 

CriticalMiss

New member
Jan 18, 2013
2,024
0
0
This doesn't really raise any new ideas about the colonisation of the Americas, it just backs up what scienctonomisers already thought. It's still cool that we can sequence genomes that old and is a little 'fuck you' to creationists to add to the ever growing pile of 'fuck you's.
 

Something Amyss

Aswyng and Amyss
Dec 3, 2008
24,759
0
0
Reed Spacer said:
wombat_of_war said:
that solves a mystery. they have always been wondering where the clovis people came from
And they would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids scientists...
Now let's find out who they really are!

thaluikhain said:
"lends further credence to the standard idea"

Yeah...not that exciting to have yet more proof for something generally accepted anyway.

Having said that, there'd be other implications of this, just not so much that one.
Yeah, I was unimpressed.

Pohaturon said:
"Ancient DNA"

I was going all stargate, but then I read the rest of the title.
I want to go to atlantis, dammit!
"It means 'the place of our legacy.' Or it could be 'a piece of our leg....'"

CriticalMiss said:
This doesn't really raise any new ideas about the colonisation of the Americas, it just backs up what scienctonomisers already thought. It's still cool that we can sequence genomes that old and is a little 'fuck you' to creationists to add to the ever growing pile of 'fuck you's.
Did you see the Ham/Nye debate? All they need to say is "you weren't there!" and apparently all of "historical" science is invalid.
 

CriticalMiss

New member
Jan 18, 2013
2,024
0
0
Zachary Amaranth said:
CriticalMiss said:
Did you see the Ham/Nye debate? All they need to say is "you weren't there!" and apparently all of "historical" science is invalid.
I missed the debate itself but have seen a few videos of people pointing out (as usual) the nonsense Ken Ham said, like 'proving' that fitting all of the animals in to Noah's Ark would be really easy if there was a way for animals to gradually change in to different animals over time. But definitely not evolving because evolution isn't a thing!
 

Something Amyss

Aswyng and Amyss
Dec 3, 2008
24,759
0
0
CriticalMiss said:
I missed the debate itself but have seen a few videos of people pointing out (as usual) the nonsense Ken Ham said, like 'proving' that fitting all of the animals in to Noah's Ark would be really easy if there was a way for animals to gradually change in to different animals over time. But definitely not evolving because evolution isn't a thing!
Unfortunately, the people who believe him are going to keep believing him. I only saw about half the debate because the stream kept screwing up on me, but Nye buried him with the math: using assumptions of Biblical kinds and being fairly generous with the number of "kinds," there would need to be 11 new species a day to account for the expansion in 4,000 years.

Still, it's hard to argue with "but you weren't there!"

...Right?

Also, the Mormons. This is nothing new, but it is always nice to have further proof that my ancestors were not a lost tribe of Israel just because a con artist said so.
 

Rhykker

Level 16 Scallywag
Feb 28, 2010
814
0
0
Pohaturon said:
"Ancient DNA"

I was going all stargate, but then I read the rest of the title.
I want to go to atlantis, dammit!
As a huge fan of SG1, I am disappointed with myself that SG never once crossed my mind while writing that article. I have seen every SG1 episode at least 3-4 times, and SGU 2-3 times. Sorry, never got into Atlantis, though.
 
Aug 19, 2010
611
0
0
Rhykker said:
Pohaturon said:
"Ancient DNA"

I was going all stargate, but then I read the rest of the title.
I want to go to atlantis, dammit!
As a huge fan of SG1, I am disappointed with myself that SG never once crossed my mind while writing that article. I have seen every SG1 episode at least 3-4 times, and SGU 2-3 times. Sorry, never got into Atlantis, though.
Atlantis is my favorite, personally, and I've seen all three.
I can't really put my finger on why, but somehow it ticks more than the other two.
 

Diddy_Mao

New member
Jan 14, 2009
1,189
0
0
Even taking my own cultural bias out of the mix I think this is pretty badass.

Discovering new things is always awesome but being able to add foundation to support established hypothesis is also pretty damn spiffy.
 

Arnoxthe1

Elite Member
Dec 25, 2010
3,391
2
43
CriticalMiss said:
This doesn't really raise any new ideas about the colonisation of the Americas, it just backs up what scienctonomisers already thought. It's still cool that we can sequence genomes that old and is a little 'fuck you' to creationists to add to the ever growing pile of 'fuck you's.
Zachary Amaranth said:
Also, the Mormons. This is nothing new, but it is always nice to have further proof that my ancestors were not a lost tribe of Israel just because a con artist said so.


You know, we, as creationists in general, don't have all the answers. But neither does science. And you guys don't need to be so freaking insulting.
 
Mar 30, 2010
3,785
0
0
I'm sorry, is this news? I thought it was already accepted knowledge that the Americas were first colonised by Asian peoples via Ice Age land bridges.

Pretty soon news articles will be discovering bronze.
 

Something Amyss

Aswyng and Amyss
Dec 3, 2008
24,759
0
0
Arnoxthe1 said:
You know, we, as creationists in general, don't have all the answers. But neither does science. And you guys don't need to be so freaking insulting.
As creationists, you don't really have any answers. As creationists, you believe something despite evidence instead of evidence and that's fine, but don't pretend you have answers. Or reason. Or anything. At best, creationism is an unsubstantiated belief. At worst, it is an attack on science and knowledge and used as an attempt to circumvent church-state separation when people are upset they can't use public funds to indoctrinate kids.

I'm also really curious as to what about quoting Ken Ham when talking about Ken Ham is insulting. Or what pointing out that the Book of Mormon is factually incorrect is insulting. Mormon doctrine teaches that the Natives of North America are a lost tribe of Israel. That's wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Or was it calling Smith a con artist? Because he was. Even most Christians tend to hold that or similar beliefs, so again, I'm not sure why you'd be insulted. Unless, mind, you're specifically a Mormon, and since the LDS' beliefs don't jive with Ham's, that makes the earlier bit a little baffling.