Anger over Edge's KIllzone 2 Review

[Doug]

That article disgusts me. Reviewers are entitled to disagree, I wish fanboys would shut up about it.

I thoroughly enjoy Halo 3, but I didn't get pissy when Yahtzee tore it apart. In fact, I loved that review because it made valid points and showed the poor quality of some of the game's facets. Not to mention it was, in proper ZP fashion, hilarious.

Exactly! Only when a reviewer prints/says something thats outright false, like game X has not got feature Y, do I get pissy over a review.

Opinions are opinions - its not like you can proof scientifically or mathematically that a game is good or bad (at least, not YET, MUhahahaha!), so if someone doesn't like a game, its their right to do so. Anyway, 7/10 from Edge is good, from that I hear (they actually USE THE WHOLE 1-10 range).

 

[Aardvark]

A playstation fanboy site, run by fanboys, dedicated to fanboys.

Who would have guessed that they would be mad when the closest thing this system has come to a stand-out exclusive, that justifies the hideous expense and lack of content, gets a review calling it like it is, a lacklustre title?

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Wow. And I thought the fanboy reaction to Tom Chick's article was bad.

Christ, it's just a game. A decent one, maybe even a good one. Some people are going to love it and some aren't. Get over it. Fucking lunatics. Nobody gives a shit about what you think, so why do you give a shit about what others think? If you enjoy the game, then what else do you want?

Really, this is a battle being waged over the PlayStation 3 itself. Its fans have been starving for good exclusive titles for years, and the suggestion that one of them may not live up to expectation is too much to bear. I'm not sure if I should pity them or want to kill them. There's some sort of hidden little daemon in each of these rabid fans, an ego that can only be appeased through not just the success of its favourite games console, but the utter destruction of all opposition. It's madness.

I agree 100%.... fanboys and flame wars over game reviews is madness... or is it Sparta...?

 

[Doug]

Wow. And I thought the fanboy reaction to Tom Chick's article was bad.

Christ, it's just a game. A decent one, maybe even a good one. Some people are going to love it and some aren't. Get over it. Fucking lunatics. Nobody gives a shit about what you think, so why do you give a shit about what others think? If you enjoy the game, then what else do you want?

Really, this is a battle being waged over the PlayStation 3 itself. Its fans have been starving for good exclusive titles for years, and the suggestion that one of them may not live up to expectation is too much to bear. I'm not sure if I should pity them or want to kill them. There's some sort of hidden little daemon in each of these rabid fans, an ego that can only be appeased through not just the success of its favourite games console, but the utter destruction of all opposition. It's madness.

I agree 100%.... fanboys and flame wars over game reviews is madness... or is it Sparta...?

That would imply fanboys will win, morale wise if nothing else. Troubling!

 

[Donbett1974]

I say go Edge for not going with the crowd. How many times have we seen reviews for games that got perfect or near perfect scores that had major flaws. I'm not saying I agree with the review just that it's good that not everyone gave the same review.

 

[mattttherman3]

Why are you angry over a review? Did you not buy the game anyway? There is no such thing as an innovative FPS anymore. Could you keep your fanboyism in check please?

 

[Anton P. Nym]

This is one of the reasons I don't like scores. They tend to stoke the fanboys' unreasonableness without providing any really valuable information about the game itself that isn't better conveyed by the text of the review.

That being said, some of those PSX brats do need to be sent to bed without supper after those tantrums. Sheesh. Disagreeing with them is one thing, but that kind of fussing and whining is just so undignified.

-- Steve

 

[TheTygerfire]

So by stating his opinion, he was lying....WRONG.

 

[MercenaryCanary]

I always thought Edge was a bit messed up in the head when it came to reviewing. They reviewed Mass Effect and praised its combat, whilst saying that everything else was bad.
That was a "WTF" moment. The other "WTF" moment I got from reading another issue. They reviewed Turok. Guess what? They loved it.

 

[Inverse Skies]

(Sigh) This particular article has caused a lot of debate here. Personally seeing none of us has played the game yet we can't be at liberty to say if it's good or not ourselves. It certainly looks pretty good, but I think I'll wait until it comes out so I can play it for myself before deciding if the score EDGE gave it was deserving or overly critical.

 

[Rezfon]

I was appauled at the comments on that page, such as

"EDGE? thats not even a real gaming website. so people don't even listen to them!


IGN-9.4

OPM 5/5

game pro 5/5

megamers= 99.9

metacritic=93% "


The whole page was just filled with fanboy(ish) comments on a game they haven't even played

 

[jebussaves88]

A playstation fanboy site, run by fanboys, dedicated to fanboys.

Who would have guessed that they would be mad when the closest thing this system has come to a stand-out exclusive, that justifies the hideous expense and lack of content, gets a review calling it like it is, a lacklustre title?

I know. But then that one exclusive is what was going to differentiate them from the 360, which has no god games and never will have ab\ny good games, or even games a person with a brain could deem even playable without gagging, but which then has the gall to charge for extras that should have been included with the piece of shit to begin with, and which can't go two fucking seconds without breaking down.

If I didn't know better, I would have said a 360 broke into your house in the dead of night, pissed on your furniture, slept with your wife, vomited in your pillowcase, shot your dog, and drank all the beer in your fridge, before smashing up your wine cellar and leaving a rude note on your PS3.

 

[Inverse Skies]

I know. But then that one exclusive is what was going to differentiate them from the 360, which has no god games and never will have ab\ny good games, or even games a person with a brain could deem even playable without gagging, but which then has the gall to charge for extras that should have been included with the piece of shit to begin with, and which can't go two fucking seconds without breaking down.

I'm curious to see exactly how Killzone 2 does perform in terms of differentiating the two consoles. The other 'killer exclusive' (MGS4) didn't seem to do that well in terms of boosting sales (although admittedly that's the reason I bought my PS3).
Although the rest of your post does seem overly harsh. The 360 is still a good console with some good games, prone yes to breaking down but that doesn't justify the rant seen above.

 

[Inverse Skies]

(Sigh) This particular article has caused a lot of debate here. Personally seeing none of us has played the game yet we can't be at liberty to say if it's good or not ourselves. It certainly looks pretty good, but I think I'll wait until it comes out so I can play it for myself before deciding if the score EDGE gave it was deserving or overly critical.

I guess that is a fair point, but it seems the game is exceptionally polarising. I've seen some people saying its like an 8 hour long orgasm compressed into a disc, and on the same site another person saying that its shit. I think realistically this would have been a game that would be better to have group review, i.e. a number of people play it and all of them weigh in with their opinions. I think in this case, that one persons opinion isn't really a fair assessment, especially when it is statistically signifigant in how low it is from the other scores. Either that or give it to the person on staff who would be more likely to enjoy it, rather than, what would seem, the person most likely to not.

I would agree that most of the general view of KZ2 is already edging towards the 9/10 review score wise as the hype surrounding it has been quite significant. The guy reviewing the game here probably did give his honest and fair assesment of what he believed it to be like. However how much of the review is simply his own? Surely he wouldn't be able to publish it without at least some input from the other contributors of the site?

Again though this is all getting speculative, we'll just have to play the games for ourselves before deciding.

 

[Aardvark]

I know. But then that one exclusive is what was going to differentiate them from the 360, which has no good games at all and never will have any good games, or even games a person with a brain could deem even playable without gagging, but which then has the gall to charge for extras that should have been included with the piece of shit to begin with, and which can't go two fucking seconds without breaking down.

Yes, sadly it seems that you will all have to sell your expensive monoliths and purchase Wiis, to ensure the line in the sand is never crossed.

 

[Inverse Skies]

Why is it that you feel that hype is directly likely to affect this title? Realistically, that would only really work if the first had been criticially well recieved, and not been a dissapointment to many.

I'd never even heard of the first one before I heard about this game (such was its lacklustre nature). It's probably because so many games are released across many of the consoles that when one is released which carries the 'exclusive' label people start to get really excited about it, especially when talks of 'really helping out the thusfar dissapointing PS3 sales' come into it.

Killzone 2 almost seems to have more intrigue and hype surrounding it than LBP even. The graphics probably have a lot to do with that. Add to that the early reviews of the game which already (as we've seen on this forum) have sparked a lot of debate and the game is already in the back of gamers heads without the first even being a hit.

 

[DeusFps]

I hope yahtzee rips this game apart just so he can do another mailbag showdown.

 

[Inverse Skies]

Just because reviewers are aware of the existence of a title that doesn't mean they are going to be especially generous with scoring it - why would you think otherwise? Did aareness mean everyone gave high scores to Too Human?

Any place which reviews games would have a fair idea of most of the so called 'killer' releases coming up. You can't argue that ever since KZ2's video was originally shown at E3 those few years ago intrigue has been growing about it, especially about its graphics. Most people (unless they're incredibly unbiased) would have already formed preconceptions of what they beleive KZ2 to be like based on what they've previously liked in games and which console they like more. That's just human psychology.

My argument lies in the fact that most places getting ready to review (or if they've already reviewed) KZ2 would be expecting quite a good game. Yes, what you say in that hype surrounding games does not always lead to good reviews is quite true (Mirrors Edge, Too Human, Haze etc). But KZ2 is almost (not quite) being seen as reversing the PS3's troubled fortunes, and any game which carries that label would automatically be expected to be very good, hence why most places would be expecting to give it good reviews.

Personally, I'm going to wait and see when I actually play it. I think it'll be quite good (preconceptions see? They're had to get away from) but, as I said before, I'm more curious as to see if it does help the PS3's flagging sales. If it does THAT then KZ2 is more than worthy of being the great title a lot of people already see it to be.

 

[Break]

He's saying that they're purposefully ignoring the game's benefits, and that Killzone 2's high quality is as solid and tangible a fact as "Bach was a great composer", or "The Godfather was a great movie". This is a game he has yet to play at any real length, and he's convinced that he's got a better idea of its strengths and weaknesses than a professional journalist who will have, at the very least, completed it once. Lovely.

I also like that he says that the content of the review doesn't actually matter, and that the number is the most important part.

PSX was the orignal playstation.

He was referring to the website title, but yeah. The PSX was actually a separate device entirely. It was more or less a reworked PS2 that included a DVD burner, and introduced the XMB as a central menu interface. The use of "PSX" to refer to the first edition PS1 is a perplexingly widespread error.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

If a review says that the your favorite game isn't the best game ever, why bother getting so pissed about it? All reviews are are multiple opinions, not your own. If you really love the game so much then why do you get so defensive when it is bashed in any way?
When i said "you" i mean everyone getting angry about the review.