Angry Detroit Citizens Fund RoboCop Statue

[jdun]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

First off your Yahoo article was about how Democrats are blocking the legislation, not about how Unions are actually a problem.

Your second link was about protest to the legislation trying to remove unions.

EVERY source you gave me is concerning the legislation to remove unions, the first one was totally irrelevant to whether unions are a problem, and the second one was about a protest that only happened because they are trying to remove unions

Nothing you just showed me demonstrates how Unions are a problem and why they need to be removed, all of this is a response to this legislation, but WHY do we need the legislation?

You say "unions need to be removed" and provide sources about problems created by Unions resisting removal. Where is your evidence that Unions are a problem when they aren't facing attacks from the government? Nothing you showed me proves or provides evidence that Unions themselves are a problem, it only shows that trying to remove them causes problems.

So given that those articles don't show evidence that unions are a problem when they aren't being attacked by government, they sure as hell don't show how Unions cause higher taxes.

Care to explain that?

You still don't get it probably because you came from a very bad public school system. It's about the Unions. Unions are bleeding the States dried. That's why state governors are goign after Union salaries and benefits. That's not my opinion that's a fact.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Parasitic+union&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

http://www.youtube.com/user/MacIverInstitute#p/u/0/9x2N4bDmzdc

 

[jdun]

It is there money. They can do whatever they like. They didn't used public money for their private project and it benefits the city. The city gave them a place to put the statue. I have no problem with it. I think its great and citizens around the country should copy their idea.

What I have problem with is using public money for their private projects which isn't the case here.

Well your right about that. I'm glad Detroit isn't funding this, we've got enough money problems as is without building a statue. And yeah it is private money, I just don't agree with it and wish it would go to something with a little more substance.

It is not the job of these people to improve the lives or bring jobs back to the city. That's the city government job. That's what you voted them in for. If they can't or unwilling to fix the problems. Your job as a citizen is to vote them out. Only take 5 minute of your time in the voting booth.

 

[Danpascooch]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

First off your Yahoo article was about how Democrats are blocking the legislation, not about how Unions are actually a problem.

Your second link was about protest to the legislation trying to remove unions.

EVERY source you gave me is concerning the legislation to remove unions, the first one was totally irrelevant to whether unions are a problem, and the second one was about a protest that only happened because they are trying to remove unions

Nothing you just showed me demonstrates how Unions are a problem and why they need to be removed, all of this is a response to this legislation, but WHY do we need the legislation?

You say "unions need to be removed" and provide sources about problems created by Unions resisting removal. Where is your evidence that Unions are a problem when they aren't facing attacks from the government? Nothing you showed me proves or provides evidence that Unions themselves are a problem, it only shows that trying to remove them causes problems.

So given that those articles don't show evidence that unions are a problem when they aren't being attacked by government, they sure as hell don't show how Unions cause higher taxes.

Care to explain that?

You still don't get it probably because you came from a very bad public school system. It's about the Unions. Unions are bleeding the States dried. That's why state governors are goign after Union salaries and benefits. That's not my opinion that's a fact.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Parasitic+union&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

http://www.youtube.com/user/MacIverInstitute#p/u/0/9x2N4bDmzdc

I come from one of the highest rated public schools in the country and am currently attending a prestigious college, your groundless assumptions are rude, uncalled for, and utterly wrong.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. I'll make it simple for you to understand. Low tax means more business. Business can hire more people. That means more people have work. If you have work that means you have money. And if you you spend it on things like video games. That in turn create more jobs. It's economic 101.

I assumed you never own a business or in management. Tax is always a problem for business. That's why Northeastern and Western States are in depopulation mode. And where are these people going to? To the South were low tax and pro business states will give them a job.

Lets look at China. 20 years ago China was poor as a pile of dirt. They got smart tell these "rich people" from other countries to invest in their country. Tell these "rich" people to exploit them. They gave these investor free lands, free factory, tax free status, and whatever they needed. These "rich" people than provide hundred of million of Chinese with jobs and out of poverty. Now China is the second largest economy in the world beating Japan. That's economic 101.

Governments don't produce they consume. You need the private sector to produce/make money.

You obviously only believe a single narrow-minded economic view, one that just so happens to financially benefit people in your income bracket, funny how that works huh?

Let me show you another way to stimulate growth, pay attention, because I'm going to teach you what you should already know, but are too arrogant to seek out and learn. It's "economics 101" to quote you (a course you obviously slept through if you think the problem in Detroit is simple and can ONLY be solved "your way"

If these low income people are given support in the form of cash, what do they do with it? They live paycheck to paycheck, they have things like food and hygenic products that they have to buy. So when they are given money, they IMMEDIATELY SPEND IT.

Where do you spend money to buy things? That's right AT A FUCKING STORE.

The stores rake in the profits of these people spending their support cash, and in turn the business's grow.

The only difference between your system and my system is that yours takes longer to work and lines your greedy pockets with money, while mine gives the money to those that really need it. Are you so greedy that you would accuse me of an inferior education to protect your small tax cuts? That's sickening.

Maybe you should think before you make groundless accusations and call people stupid, because every so often (as in this case) they know a hell of a lot more than you about the topic at hand.

 

[Danpascooch]

Wow...this is what you want to put up to improve the city of Detroit? That place was a dump before the automotive giants began to leave...

You, sir, obviously know nothing about Detroit, so I will forgive your libel for now.

On topic, I still find this whole thing silly: we have actual historical places in Detroit like the factory that produced the first Model T crumbling down because there's just no money in the city's budget to maintain or protect them. Unless they park the statue in front of a Detroit precinct, I doubt that statue will stay erect (go ahead, snicker if you must) for a year without being vandalized or just stolen by a super-geek.

$55,000 is worth it for the lulz.

Seriously, I laughed my ass off for like 5 minutes at this headline. It's hilarious, the Detroit mayor asks for ideas to help a ruined city and everyone gets hung up on building a fucking Robocop statue like they have massive collective ADD, it's so ridiculous that it's epically hilarious.

Yeah they still doesn't understand the core problems that Detroit is facing. Doesn't matter what solutions they come up with. It's useless and waste of time if they don't know what is causing the sickness.

The core problems with Detroit is Unions and high taxes. Fix those two and life will come back to Detroit.

If they don't have those taxes they can't fund the police properly which is going to cause crime to rise even further. They are in a tough spot, they need money RIGHT NOW to fund the police, but they need to stop taxing so much to help in the long term. What they really need is like a billion dollars to fall in their lap, so they can fund the police until the lower taxes help the crime rate long term.

Good luck with that though, lol, a billion dollars doesn't just fall from the sky (except that one time....)

The Detroit problem is not hard to solve. The liberals that is running Detroit does not understand the problems that destroyed Detroit. Again Unions and High Taxes. You can't fix Detroit without addressing those two core problems.

Cutting tax is very easy and with the exception of the Unions no one will object. The Union problems is harder because they hold huge political power in the city. They want to get every last blood out of Detroit.

Cut taxes and replace unions worker with private sector. This will lower city cost and hence the ability to cut taxes. This will translate to business moving back into Detroit. That than will lead to a population growth. That means more money in the coffer.

I couldn't agree less with what you're proposing. They need to give support to people so that they can actually survive without resorting to theft.

How exactly do you propose they "replace" union workers with private sector? Cover the city with a handkerchief and go "TADA! And the unions have disappeared"?

Unionization is not even close to their problem, it's the poverty rate that needs to be addressed by creating more jobs and provided assistance to the needy.

Go check the video I posted above. Union is the main problem. They make much more money than the private sector. They have better benefits than the private second and they do less work than private sector workers.

The cause of poverty is the lack of employment. No job no money. What cause that? Lack of business . What cause the lack of business? High Taxes. What cause high taxes? Unions.

The problem is easy to solve the the political will is hard to come by. If I was running Detroit I will replace union workers with private employees. They cost less and do more. That translate to hiring less because they do more. That means I can lower taxes.

Wisconsin is taking on the Unions and that's what Detroit should be doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teachers-call-in-sick.html

First off your Yahoo article was about how Democrats are blocking the legislation, not about how Unions are actually a problem.

Your second link was about protest to the legislation trying to remove unions.

EVERY source you gave me is concerning the legislation to remove unions, the first one was totally irrelevant to whether unions are a problem, and the second one was about a protest that only happened because they are trying to remove unions

Nothing you just showed me demonstrates how Unions are a problem and why they need to be removed, all of this is a response to this legislation, but WHY do we need the legislation?

You say "unions need to be removed" and provide sources about problems created by Unions resisting removal. Where is your evidence that Unions are a problem when they aren't facing attacks from the government? Nothing you showed me proves or provides evidence that Unions themselves are a problem, it only shows that trying to remove them causes problems.

So given that those articles don't show evidence that unions are a problem when they aren't being attacked by government, they sure as hell don't show how Unions cause higher taxes.

Care to explain that?

You still don't get it probably because you came from a very bad public school system. It's about the Unions. Unions are bleeding the States dried. That's why state governors are goign after Union salaries and benefits. That's not my opinion that's a fact.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Parasitic+union&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

http://www.youtube.com/user/MacIverInstitute#p/u/0/9x2N4bDmzdc

"unions are bleeding the states dried"?

"state governors are goign"?

Yeah, I bow to your superior education. I went to one of the best public schools in the country.

Hyperbole is never fact, something you would know if you weren't so arrogant.

Instead of accusing me, put together a decent opinion supported with actual evidence. There are thousands of articles arguing for and against unions all over the web, what gives you the incredible arrogance to state that your opinion on the matter is "a fact"?

See my other post (I quoted you for that one too) for the alternative (and more effective) method of helping the people of Detroit, maybe you'll learn something. You should be embarrassed as hell for providing shoddy evidence and an arrogant opinion while making jabs at my education with no evidence.

If your economic opinions are based on the same quality of evidence as you assertion that I have poor education is, then your methods will reduce Detroit to a smoking fucking crater.

 

[Lionsfan]

It is not the job of these people to improve the lives or bring jobs back to the city. That's the city government job. That's what you voted them in for. If they can't or unwilling to fix the problems. Your job as a citizen is to vote them out. Only take 5 minute of your time in the voting booth.

Yeah but we raised 50,000 dollars for a Statue of a Mostly Forgotten Film Character? That's Substance? A film where Detroit is portrayed as a war-torn gang infested Hell-Hole? That's what people are commemorating?

And also, I've been looking through this thread and I've got to disagree with you about why Detroit hasn't been the best. It isn't solely the Union's fault like you're trying to say. Without the Unions there wouldn't be a Middle Class. Without the Unions working conditions would be horrible and we wouldn't be having this discussion since nobody would be able to afford anything beyond necessities to survive. You can't sum up Detroit (and by extension the entire Auto Industries) problem by simply saying "It's the Unions". It's a lot more complex than that