Anime, what a horrid little thing you've become.

stompy

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Easykill said:
But Death note takes the cake.
Seconded.

And Purple, I don't watch anime for story, or character development. I watch it so there's some action, and, as said by some people before me "kick-ass fights". Oh, and lets not go to hentai. That thing is it's own juggernaut, thanks to the aforementioned 4chan kids.
 
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That's what I meant. Still, Trigun should have, and could have, gone for more than half a season.
Half a season? It was a 26-episode arc. As far as I know, that's a full season. To second L.B. Jeffries's comment, that's one of the things I like, and consider (somewhat) a hallmark of a quality anime. Set, pre-defined story arc, that isn't dragged out into the 100's of episodes for the sake of filling time (and selling merch). Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Samurai Champloo: these are my exemplars of how to do it right.

@Piorn: [a href=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=angst]Angst[/a]
I don't know that the linked really covers all of the connotations of the word, but it provides the general idea. Often results in unnecessary (and subsequently empty) drama. If you are, or have ever been, a teenager, you have probably experienced it.
You're right. Please call a proctologist.
 

KurtNiisan

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What's bad is you've obviously based your opinion solely from watching Ikki Tousen. That show is a lame duck.

Anime worth watching:
- Neon Genesis Evangelion
- FLCL
- Ghost in the Shell (both movies, both TV series' and the Solid State Society OVA)
- Cowboy Bebop
- Samurai Champloo (CB's spiritual successor)
- Serial Experiments: Lain
- Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro ("Lupin" meets Ghibli's Miyazaki)
- List goes on..
 

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I'm still not seeing Gurren Lagann on any of these lists of Anime worth watching. Seriously, the show induces eye-gasms. I don't want to have to post some links.
 

Ultrajoe

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Fullmetal alchemist and Avatar

seriously, i don't know why people think Avatar is just for kids, the animation is well drawn and its got just as many jokes for those of the above 4 1/2 foot persuasion, not to mention it has a dude shooting lightning, how can that not rock?

And fullmetal alchemist was the thing i took to fill up space on my removable hard drive when a friend was leaching me music, anime and... nothing else... and i absolutely love it.

Some anime really is stupid though, i can see from whence you came.
 

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Honestly, I have no problem with hentai, which is unashamedly about sex. It just really irritates me, as it does the OP, when some anime have so much fanservice or sexual tension that they basically become softcore porn but are just unwilling to admit it. I hate when an otherwise-good anime is marred by meaningless fanservice.

That's why I love JoJo's Bizarre adventure. It concentrates completely on the action (except for the first half of the first series, which fools you into thinking it's a standard romance story, complete with wishy-washy protagonist up against a ruthless rival...until said rival becomes a vampire, the hero is shown to possess incredible amounts of badassery and he teams up a dude in a top hat who can split people in half with his bare hands), with no sex at all, aside from the 300-esque subtext (which is there, but it's quite a stretch to take it anywhere at all, hence the complete lack of JJBA slash/hentai fanart or messed up fanfics) and the protagonists (for the most part) have the same abilities and strength throughout the whole series, so they rely heavily on their intelligence to solve battles, rather than just powering up and muscling their way to a victory (DBZ, I'm looking at you)

Plus, JJBA makes ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING SENSE WHATSOEVER and is awesome in that wacky, random kind of way that is often associated with Japanese things (and with good reason). This is the manga that gave us villains named after rock bands (Wham!, Cars, and AC/DC in the second series), yet another use for steam rollers, and shooting people in the eye with bottlecaps.

Scanlations can be found here, remember to read right to left!
http://jojo.highervoltage.net/


Fanboy? Me? Naaawww ;)
 

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The Sorrow said:
I read manga mostly, but I have discovered the two greatest short series(es) of anime ever:
Elfen Lied: Just watch it. If you're squeamish about blood and nudity, sucks to be you, but it's got one of the best stories I've ever seen.
Sounds like Guro
 

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ok, i'm going to say this one more time, evangelion sucks big donkey balls it's main character is the biggest pussy i've ever seen.

Oh and i totally second Guts as the manliest man ever. dying a brutal death is not quite as manly as being unkillable.

but as long as we're listing anime that kicks ass i'll post mine
-Berserk
-ninja scroll:tv show and movie, both good and worth watching
-Fullmetal alchemist
-Devil Man
-Golden boy: funiest short anime i've ever seen funnier even than flcl
-flcl: also great
-mahoromatic: great anime no one has ever heard of
-tenchi muyo
-Baki the grappler: great fighting show
-Shin chan: hylarious
-shadow skill: another older good fighting anime
-samurai champloo
-ghost in the shell
-yu-yu hakusho
-tenjo tenge
-bleach
-Big O
-cowboy bebop
-Trigun
-Hellsing
-Armatige: the 3rd
-lupin the third
-black lagoon
-case closed
-desert punk
-gundam wing
-G gundam
-outlaw star
-read or die
-burst angel
-samurai 7

this is a long list and i'm sorry but it proves a point, there is a ton of GREAT anime out there if you just look for it, your friend's taste may differ from your own quite alot, my best friend loves naruto and i can't stand it.
 

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PurpleRain said:
A friend of mine, with an anime fetish of epic proportions
Aaahahahhah... Matt... What a character..

But yeah.. There sure is a lot of crap out there...
 

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^ This is a great list. Especially Tenchi Muyo and Black Lagoon(others that i agree with have been mentioned before). Just I prefer to call it Detective Conan than Case Closed. Horrible, Horrible Dub.
 

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Anime and I have a love-hate relationship, and I mostly agree with Purple. I know it sounds like fuel for a fan-boy holocaust, but the most enjoyment I would get out of a series would be when something makes fun of it (read: Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series).

As with most generalizations, there are quite a few exceptions. I do love Death Note however, as well as FLCL and Bleach , probably because the only anime I've ever seen has been through [Adult Swim] though. I refuse to buy any DVDs, because I want to keep what little dignity I still have, and I loathe cute sidekicks and variations on the words "lolita," "furry," or "fanservice". On a side note, I've always wanted to go to an anime convention in a Hunter S Thompson state of mind, wink wink nudge nudge. Maybe then I could look at a guy with a giant cardboard buster sword, or anyone that's crossplaying without expelling Taco Bell out of my mouth.

Most anime I've ever seen alwyas makes me say in my head:
"what the fuck is going here?" "Why are they flying?" "What the shit is with that cat?" "Who made her a god all of a sudden?" "whoah, you guys can teleport? why aren't you robbing banks then?" "You can glow now? Wait, if you can glow, why are you fighting monsters, let some other masochist do that, you could totally become a pro spelunker, or a carny." "Oh, god, why? That's your sister you fucked up mutant!" "No, just no! Get the fuck out of that giant robot. That is totally unnecessary for the task at hand." "You're how old?!" "Just kill him already! screw the rules, you're rich!" "Ok, Light, I know you're a derranged psychopath, cram school could do that to a human, but there's a hot girl throwing herself at you, and you're not on top of that like a cathedral on catacombs. I don't want to see this actually happen, but seriously, every other guy around you is drooling over this chick and you treat her like she's a pile of ants. God, you deserve the police to lock you up, I don't care if you're a magnificent bastard."
I could go on for pages and pages at a time, but no one wants to hear about my confusion.

The sum of this is that I've come to the conclusion that I'm a closet anime fan, but that I also can't stand 90% of anime out there. Seriously, I hated Neon Genesis Evangelion . I had no idea what the hell was going on half the time. Why were there huge robots that fought aliens? If civilization had advanced to the point that giant robots were a feasible option as a weapon, why the hell didn't they just make an army of tiny ones complete with rail guns, or mini-hadron cannons, or just pick a word from a Quantum physics book and make a gun that shoots that. Seriously, I think they wouldn't lose too much of the audience if they decided to use all of a sudden use a gluon-quark wave cannon. (Although in a practical sense it wouldn't do shit, but it certainly does follow the Rule of Cool, along with the Giant Robots). Since I've succeeded in scaring off any readers at this point, why isn't there an anime that involves superscience, other than the Mecha type series'? It could sort of play out like Death Note where a goody two-shoes, genius-type character, lets call him Dave, develops a new quantum particle in a laboratory's particle accelerator. Through some inner karmatic reversal; such as Dave getting cancer (which isn't that uncommon in his field) or something emo like his girlfriend dying in a car accident; and then Dave decides to mutate the population with his discovery - after he makes a portable version of it though - and bring on the apocalypse, but secretly. Chaos ensues as he one by one starts mutating people - some get powers, some get horrible, horrible cancer, etc - and an antagonist starts to snoop around his lab after doctors find out what is going on. Shit, it's something new and doesn't involve a fucking giant robot or a cute sidekick.

It's all just a matter of personal taste, and no matter what weird genre of anything, there's always someone who'll die to defend it's existence. So long as it doesn't directly affect me, or rob me blind in a dark alley.
/* There should be a general law that states something along those lines, but screw off, I don't want to look it up */
 

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My problem with most Anime

Panty Shot + Explosion + Fight + Panty shot + Obscure philisophy + Panty Shot + Fight = your average anime.

However, there are a couple of exceptions to the equation, and this includes series such as Ghost in the Shell and Death Note.
 

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Anime hasn't gotten worse, it's just that the market for anime outside of Japan has opened the pipeline far enough that now the shit gets through as well as the quality. Anime has always been this bad and always been that good.

One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the wierd shit is direct to video. If you were to lump direct to video movies in with regular theatrical release movies without making any distinction, you'd have a totally different picture of the movie industry. Same with anime.

Sure, there are shitty broadcast anime in Japan, just like there are shitty regular broadcast TV shows everywhere else.

Oh, and thank whoever for reminding me about Gankutsuou, which is blindingly gorgeous and awesome, and on sale right now at Rightstuf! Yay, score!
 

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Easykill said:
Death note takes the cake.
I watched the 2 Ep of that so dam cool. Wait a moment, it's on tonight!

How do you feel about Fullmetal? Personally I consider it the benchmark along with Ghost in the Shell. Anime movie's I hold up to a different standard as time is something needed to give anime that, *thing*. Akira did not need time to get that *thing*.


The only Anime I've seen and hated is Neon Genesis. The story goes nowhere, and no a circle does not count as going anywhere if the circle has no meaning
 

Ultrajoe

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i didn't like death note.

thats right, i couldn't get into it, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

that said, don't get down on anime, our TV has some genuine shit on it as well.
 

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As has been said before, there're good anime and bad anime. Same with everything. OP just needs to find a good one. It also depends what you like, because "anime" is a very broad term. There's action anime, comedy anime, character drama anime, the list goes on. For every genre you have in the West, you have an Anime equivalent, basically.

Action: Check out Gundam 00 for minimal plot with maximum robots. No main characters who cry or have their clothes ripped off here. Samurai Champloo had some extremely nice action sequences, as well.
Comedy: Not exactly my thing, but I thought Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was pretty hilarious in a lot of places, and Baccano (see below) had some really funny moments. So did Samurai Champloo.
Drama: My favourite (so far) has been Planetes. It's set in 2075 (or so), and revolves around these guys who live on a massive corporate space station, as they pick up space debris. It's a really nice character study.
Snatch: If you've seen the movie Snatch (or Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, etc, etc), and want to see how it holds up as an anime, go find Baccano. It's almost too awesome for words. It's set across 1930-1932, and examines heaps of different characters as they interact across three distinct storylines. It's complex, but every single thing, no matter how bizzare, is fully explained by the end of the 13th (and last) episode.
Sci-Fi: Ghost in the Shell. Amazing realisation of a world where everyone's brains are connected to the internet, and possible crimes that result from people and computers being almost the same thing. Philosophy + Action = WIN.

Those are my recommendations to the OP, anyway. Depending on what he likes.

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Ultrajoe said:
Thats right, I couldn't get into [Death Note], and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
That's fine, man. It's all about finding what you like. All I can do is recommend what I like, which I've done.
 

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I have a really old sub of Berserk and it's spelt Gatz not Guts but that?s just nit picking he's still the double hardest bastard ever to grace book or screen, ***massive spoiler*** even hell couldn't stop him and he takes a demon into himself just to get his revenge on Griffiths (the Anime's actually somewhat less vicious than the manga which does degenerate to babies on spikes level at some points)

All in all Anime's a bit hit and miss though, some of it's great and some of it's terrible, personally if it's got school kids in it at all then I avoid it like the plague (apart from Full Metal Panic which was funny as hell)
 

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I have fallen in love with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, because nothing beats an awesome "Gattai!" scene... except for a constant supply of MORE "Gattai!" scenes, each larger, more hot-blooded and crazier than the last. Where else are you going to find mechs so large they use galaxies as weapons?
 

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Anime is usually crap for the same reason (to a much lesser degree) that a lot of first person shooters are crap, there is to many of them because they're to easy to make. Because pretty much any "Japanese-Average-Joe" with a crappy anime idea can make there show, there are SO many anime programs out there that there's a 95% chance you'll land on a crap one.
For every Spirited Away (which was excellent) there are twenty other anime movies that suck more then season 12 of South Park.