Anonymous Says It's Not Finished With Sony

jawakiller

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Yeah! Now ve vill begeen za velolution and teak down za bastards.

I actually agree with them on this one. I usually think they're being a little extreme but Sony is a pain in the ass that needs to be dealt with (goddamn japs... JK :p). They're trying to protect their products at the expensive of personal freedom, not cool.
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Silva said:
Clankenbeard said:
SNIP SNIP
So it's okay*** for Sony to take a purely selfish business standpoint on this and completely disregard moral thinking, and ask for this information just in case there's a legal or practical loophole that allows them to get it?

Not for me, it isn't. They shouldn't even have the nerve to ask, for fear of lawsuits carried against them by the People.

And in any case, ethical business is good business in the long term. If you're unethical, it just leads to boycotts and decreased sales from an unsatisfied consumer base. You know... like this one.

***(I know that's not exactly what you're saying, but the attempt to step into their shoes leaves me cold here.)
TO be honest I see this in a very basic point of view. Sony, Bill Gates, Me, the homeless man on the corner, you, the weird looking man in the country next to mine, everyone has the right to ASK for something or even DEMAND something. However, the person they make the demands of can always say "NO".

My future potential landlord can ASK me for post dated cheques for every month of the rent upon signature of the lease. But I can say no, and he cannot force me as per the regie de logement of Quebec.

Sure, you can demand all you want, it's not a crime. But if someone doens't want to, it is within their right as a person.

I can walk up to you tomorrow and say "Dude, can you give me your car? I'm not gonna pay you for it" and if you give it to me, then you do. Sure outside people will say "He must have tricked him, how dare he not offer the guy anything for the car" rather than "Well, it's a valid deal. He asked for the car, he said he wasn't going to pay, and he got it... Dude shouldn't have given his car away"
Quoted for Truth. This is my viewpoint as well. I doubt Sony got any juicy information from YouTube or PayPal. Neither would have taken the risk of releasing confidential info and violating any contracts to appease Sony. My guess is it went something like:

Sony: Hey, YouTube, there's this video by this guy GeoHot. We could go do it ourselves from the comments because it is free information, but could you please give us an electronic version of the posts there? You can? Cool.

Reporter: YouTube has buckled under pressure from multimedia giant Sony and has turned over vital information reagarding people viewing a video by GeoHot -- a well-known Internet Pirate/Ninja/Vacationer!

I posted a link to the fake advertisement for Sony from the 1990 movie Crazy People. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93KrnZ0UJQk It is titled "Banned Racist SONY Commercial" and there are people flaming all over it, mad at Sony. The false context has created some serious hate against Sony for this "banned media". But Sony did nothing illegal by allowing that movie to have that fake ad. All I'm saying is that it is really easy to paint the big guy as the bad guy. I don't have all of the facts so I'm not ready to do any condemming of Sony just yet. Somebody post a link to what information Sony "forced" out of YouTube and PayPal and we'll talk.
 

Arella18

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You know he says all this and I counted four PS3s in the video. Nice way of boycotting sony dude. fucking cowardly using a damn mask you can't have a cause if you're too afraid to show your face defending it...just sayin.
 

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Anonymous seems to be becoming like the weather nowadays. I expect a daily update on them and what we predict they are going to do. Seven days a week with a 10 day extended forecast.
 

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JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
venn2011 said:
Nieroshai said:
ionveau said:
They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans
AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.
I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.
You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.
Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.
Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho
I never called you a pirate or a hacker but, hey, if the shoe fits . . . .
Just dont call me a gamer and we are good <3
Ahh, ya doesn?t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me R.J. . . . but ya doesn?t hafta call me Johnson!
Can I call you Betty? Cause, Betty, when you call me, you can call me Al.

But, back on this topic, one of the things to remember is that this is almost entirely self-described. Case in point, the only thing anyone has to go on as to whether or not George Hotz pirates games is the word of George Hotz, who, bluntly, has damn near literally every possible reason to lie on the subject.

And, if you put a bit more thought into this, Anonymous can only be believed about their motives if you believe that they are honest, honorable people. But, let's get real. If any of my friends found out that a neighbor was piggy-backing off of their wi-fi without their permission, there would be a fight. Anonymous is basically doing that to Sony. Granted, it's more complicated, and on a higher scale, but, has the lesson of George Hotz taught Anonymous nothing? Sony was a lot nicer to George Hotz than I thought they would be. I honestly believe that Sony's patience may be running thin, at this point.

George Hotz may have been full of crap. He may have run from the fight, flailing like an 8 year old girl being chased by a boy holding a worm..... But, at least Hotz showed his face. For that one moment, even though he was completely in the wrong, he manned up. Anonymous is no better than a few trolls on a youtube video.
 

JDKJ

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Sikratua said:
JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
JDKJ said:
ionveau said:
venn2011 said:
Nieroshai said:
ionveau said:
They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans
AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.
I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.
You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.
Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.
Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho
I never called you a pirate or a hacker but, hey, if the shoe fits . . . .
Just dont call me a gamer and we are good <3
Ahh, ya doesn?t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me R.J. . . . but ya doesn?t hafta call me Johnson!
Can I call you Betty? Cause, Betty, when you call me, you can call me Al.

But, back on this topic, one of the things to remember is that this is almost entirely self-described. Case in point, the only thing anyone has to go on as to whether or not George Hotz pirates games is the word of George Hotz, who, bluntly, has damn near literally every possible reason to lie on the subject.

And, if you put a bit more thought into this, Anonymous can only be believed about their motives if you believe that they are honest, honorable people. But, let's get real. If any of my friends found out that a neighbor was piggy-backing off of their wi-fi without their permission, there would be a fight. Anonymous is basically doing that to Sony. Granted, it's more complicated, and on a higher scale, but, has the lesson of George Hotz taught Anonymous nothing? Sony was a lot nicer to George Hotz than I thought they would be. I honestly believe that Sony's patience may be running thin, at this point.

George Hotz may have been full of crap. He may have run from the fight, flailing like an 8 year old girl being chased by a boy holding a worm..... But, at least Hotz showed his face. For that one moment, even though he was completely in the wrong, he manned up. Anonymous is no better than a few trolls on a youtube video.
I take comfort in knowing that if there's one benefit to living in the world of the 24-hour news cycle, it is that sooner or later everyone's Warholian 15 minutes of fame comes to an end. Give it enough time and Anonymouse will outlive their own celebrity.

Case in point: Jack Thompson. Who's Jack Thompson, you may ask. That's my point.
 

Sikratua

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That's not entirely true. Tila Tequila, Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, Perez Hilton, Isaiah Mustafa, Doug Walker, James Rolfe, Noah Antwiller......Do I need to continue this list? People whose names would never have been known, if not for the internet, and who will probably not be forgotten any time soon. Why? Because the internet makes it entirely too easy to simply put something else out there, and keep your name fresh. Granted, with some of the people I listed, talent is the reason the internet will keep them known, but that's not always the case.

By the way, I know exactly who Jack Thompson is. I know exactly why he's famous, and I know exactly why I'm happy that he was disbarred.
 

JDKJ

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Sikratua said:
That's not entirely true. Tile Tequila, Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, Perez Hilton, Isaiah Mustafa, Doug Walker, James Rolfe, Noah Antwiller......Do I need to continue this list? People whose names would never have been known, if not for the internet, and who will probably not be forgotten any time soon. Why? Because the internet makes it entirely too easy to simply put something else out there, and keep your name fresh.

By the way, I know exactly who Jack Thompson is. I know exactly why he's famous, and I know exactly why I'm happy that he was disbarred.
Patience, my friend, patience. For example, Justin Beaver. On the time continuum, he ain't really been around that long. Believe it or not, Glenn Beck hasn't been around -- at least not on the national stage -- that long but something tells me that now he's lost his gig at Fox, his 15 minutes is just about expired.

But it is kinda weird that Perez Hilton is apparently able to milk it for longer than Paris Hilton can. That almost doesn't seem fair.
 

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Bets they all get arrested for suspected cyber-crimes against sony?
I'll put $20 down on that. Isn't that what happened to some Anonymice before when they didn't proxy their ISP addresses? Like those criminals who accidentally drop their driver licenses at the scene of their crimes.
 

Sikratua

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JDKJ said:
But it is kinda weird that Perez Hilton is apparently able to milk it for longer than Paris Hilton can. That almost doesn't seem fair.
That's because Paris started with the sex tape. There's nowhere else to go after that, unless she starts an online reality show in which she publicly blows random people on the street, and gives them $100 afterwards. At least Tila Tequila waited until 14:50 before putting out the porno.
 

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TO be honest I see this in a very basic point of view. Sony, Bill Gates, Me, the homeless man on the corner, you, the weird looking man in the country next to mine, everyone has the right to ASK for something or even DEMAND something. However, the person they make the demands of can always say "NO".

Facebook asks for your personal info. If you say no, then you don't post it. If you do post it, then if your account gets hacked and everyone has your personal info, its your fault for putting it on the internet.

My future potential landlord can ASK me for post dated cheques for every month of the rent upon signature of the lease. But I can say no, and he cannot force me as per the regie de logement of Quebec.

Sure, you can demand all you want, it's not a crime. But if someone doens't want to, it is within their right as a person.

I can walk up to you tomorrow and say "Dude, can you give me your car? I'm not gonna pay you for it" and if you give it to me, then you do. Sure outside people will say "He must have tricked him, how dare he not offer the guy anything for the car" rather than "Well, it's a valid deal. He asked for the car, he said he wasn't going to pay, and he got it... Dude shouldn't have given his car away"
Hmm, I don't think you really see what my problem with this is. Yes, I agree that if you put your information directly into the public domain, you are taking a known risk and if people exploit it, then that's sort of your fault.

But if you give your information to one company, and ostensibly only to that company, they shouldn't have the rights to sell or give away that information, because if that isn't directly the point of the service you're getting, it may indeed concern private details that you don't want out there. (It's even more likely that it will, if there's a "required field" of personal information that you must enter in order to join, after buying the product - that kind of trick is just disgusting.)

You see, once information goes from one company to another, it may as well go public for all the potential ways it can leak out or get sent to someone else. You never know if there's an information firm out there that gathers as much of this leaked data as it can then sells it to who-knows-who, or publishes it.

It's not so much that there WILL be a slippery slope of private data movement issues, it's that such transfers increase the risk that this will be the case, and with the ordinary consumer in the firing line, I believe that's more than enough reason to be against what Sony has done here.

I think it's worthy of note, too, that while some conscious consumers (myself included) read the terms of agreement properly and consider declining before clicking "yes" on them, they are deliberately designed to be unreadable and boring to the layman so they fall for whatever terms the company having it written wants. Yes, being stupid in this way means you're going to run into problems. But if much of the consumer population falls for that kind of thing, I'd rather a kinder approach by corporations like Sony.

Even if people have to (legally) protest and boycott to earn it, there needs to be an understanding and a respectful approach towards the lowest common denominators of human society. Letting companies prey on the stupid, the mentally ill, the drunk, the drugged, and the stressed (in other words, the weak) isn't justice, it's laziness.
 

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http://ipconflict.co.uk/2011/04/17/anonymous-increase-sony-profits/

keep up the good work anonymous
 

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Silva said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
TO be honest I see this in a very basic point of view. Sony, Bill Gates, Me, the homeless man on the corner, you, the weird looking man in the country next to mine, everyone has the right to ASK for something or even DEMAND something. However, the person they make the demands of can always say "NO".

Facebook asks for your personal info. If you say no, then you don't post it. If you do post it, then if your account gets hacked and everyone has your personal info, its your fault for putting it on the internet.

My future potential landlord can ASK me for post dated cheques for every month of the rent upon signature of the lease. But I can say no, and he cannot force me as per the regie de logement of Quebec.

Sure, you can demand all you want, it's not a crime. But if someone doens't want to, it is within their right as a person.

I can walk up to you tomorrow and say "Dude, can you give me your car? I'm not gonna pay you for it" and if you give it to me, then you do. Sure outside people will say "He must have tricked him, how dare he not offer the guy anything for the car" rather than "Well, it's a valid deal. He asked for the car, he said he wasn't going to pay, and he got it... Dude shouldn't have given his car away"
Hmm, I don't think you really see what my problem with this is. Yes, I agree that if you put your information directly into the public domain, you are taking a known risk and if people exploit it, then that's sort of your fault.

But if you give your information to one company, and ostensibly only to that company, they shouldn't have the rights to sell or give away that information, because if that isn't directly the point of the service you're getting, it may indeed concern private details that you don't want out there. (It's even more likely that it will, if there's a "required field" of personal information that you must enter in order to join, after buying the product - that kind of trick is just disgusting.)

You see, once information goes from one company to another, it may as well go public for all the potential ways it can leak out or get sent to someone else. You never know if there's an information firm out there that gathers as much of this leaked data as it can then sells it to who-knows-who, or publishes it.

It's not so much that there WILL be a slippery slope of private data movement issues, it's that such transfers increase the risk that this will be the case, and with the ordinary consumer in the firing line, I believe that's more than enough reason to be against what Sony has done here.

I think it's worthy of note, too, that while some conscious consumers (myself included) read the terms of agreement properly and consider declining before clicking "yes" on them, they are deliberately designed to be unreadable and boring to the layman so they fall for whatever terms the company having it written wants. Yes, being stupid in this way means you're going to run into problems. But if much of the consumer population falls for that kind of thing, I'd rather a kinder approach by corporations like Sony.

Even if people have to (legally) protest and boycott to earn it, there needs to be an understanding and a respectful approach towards the lowest common denominators of human society. Letting companies prey on the stupid, the mentally ill, the drunk, the drugged, and the stressed (in other words, the weak) isn't justice, it's laziness.
I thnk you took my facebok analogy out of context. I agree that facebook selling inormation is wrong. I'm talking about people who put their address, phone number, etc into their options, refuse to make their info any more secure than "PUBLIC" and then get pissed when people they don't like call them after getting their number on facebook.

I don't think people should complain about other people using the information that THEY posted on the site for the world to see