Anti-Child Society

[OmniscientOstrich]

Eh, it's not like we're ever going to struggle keeping the population steady. I hate kids and we're overpopulated as it is, or to put it another way:


To clarify, I'm not behind the so called brat bans. Yeah, I hate kids but I don't want to make things harder on parents and it's very rare that some random toddler will come up and bother me at a restaurant or something. I don't give a shit about kids but other people should be free to do what they want without me imposing.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I'm not really into the idea of kids either.

Once you have a kid...your life is pretty much over. You have to live for your kids now, not yourself. And it's nonstop work. First you have to de3al with diapers and crying, then with them having trouble with homework and bullies, to HARDER homework and bullies, and then with their rebellious/jaded phase, and THEN hope that you raised them right so that they don't !@#$ up their adulthood.

...Honestly...I reeeeeeally don't think I'll want kids. Not that I hate kids. I like 'em. But I just don't really want one. Besides, gotta stop that overpopulation problem, right?

 

[FreakSheet]

I do wonder, the people who impose those "brat bans", do they even think of how the kids feel? What about the legitimately good kids? "I'm sorry Timmy, despite having a perfect year in school, we cannot do anything for it because every place now has brat bans." It's all part of a disturbing trend, like in the Simpsons, "Children are the future, TODAY BELONGS TO ME!" We discriminate against children, babies, and adolescents (perhaps even to a greater extent) and think nothing of it, but we freak out when judgement gets based upon other stuff.

Person 1- "Man that guy is jewish, he must be cheap"
Person 2- "You racist fu**"

Person 1- "That teen must be such an idiotic asshole"
Person 2- "Hahaha yeah..."

We kill the youngest of young, legally. We place high frequency sound generators to keep teens away. We place adult charges on those who aren't even legal realized AS adults. Even in Ontario (maybe all of Canada) we have a law that says no one under 22 can have ANY alcohol in their system. Good law, TERRIBLE execution. Why stop at those under 22? Wouldn't roads be safer if these laws affected all drivers? But they don't, because then the law makers would be affecting themselves. Some schools place metal detectors in the entrances, because Teens must not be trusted. They will shoot us if given the chance.

 

[Blaster395]

Overpopulation is not a problem in developed countries where the fertility rate is often below the 2.1 replacement rate that would create a stable population.

 

[Versuvius]

Less than the amount of people we have now is a good thing. Too little people is a bad thing, right now the planet is overpopulated if we treat certain areas of land as "do not want to develop it into housing and lose any natural beauty we once had". Also less drain on general resources. yes i am saying too many people are a drain. Less people would still be a drain, but less of a drain with more resources to go around. Whether it will work like that in a capitalist minded society i don't know though. Lots of factors bla bla bla we need to cut about 1-2 billion people out of the equasion slowly. I mean look at David Attenborough. Since he began filming all those decades ago, the worlds population has doubled. That is a scary prospect. No...we need less people. It doesn't mean culls or anything that short sightedly retarded but a trend of less children is...good.

 

[Hamish Durie]

mabye our natural minds just started thinking
"well spaceflight is going anywhere soon and the world isn't getting any bigger how about we stop having as many children"

 

[octafish]

Remember if you don't have children, then these children will be the ones changing your adult diapers in your nursing home, or not changing them as the case may be. Better start studying robotics just in case.

 

[blaqknoise]

Brat bans? Really?

To be honest, that sounds absolutely pathetic.

Imagine scenario:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?

Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.

I'm a pretty patient person. I realize that parents may be new parents and might not be sure what to do and how to properly handle that situation. If the baby keeps crying and crying without stopping, then all the parents need to do is take the baby outside until it's quiet enough to bring back in.

For trains, there isn't and outside to go to, so you can take it into the bathroom or somewhere else where there isn't many people. (I've never been on a train so I don't know what's on them)

For planes, suck it up princess. The parents aren't asking the baby to cry and they can only do their best to make it stop.

 

[FreakSheet]

Remember if you don't have children, then these children will be the ones changing your adult diapers in your nursing home, or not changing them as the case may be. Better start studying robotics just in case.

In one year

But yeah, children will be the ones taking care of your selfish ass one day, and maybe kids will bear some ill will towards child banning people.

 

[Hyper-space]

people who want to ban children from things should be shot in the head then*censored* *censored*
I mean why are they under the assumption that every child is a brat??

Because of their lack of perspective and the delicious irony that they were once insufferable assholes as well.

Hell, most of the people who are for brat bans have probable themselves been at one time very disruptive, yet they would probably scoff at the idea of them being banned from restaurants and such.

And all of the talks of reducing the human population can be considered moot seeing as its not the developed countries that have such high birth-rates, barking up the wrong tree, ect. Maybe focusing more on HELPING said underdeveloped countries become first-world would be more productive than say, thinking you were any different than those "brats" you so want banned.

 

[Brandon237]

Brat bans? Really?

To be honest, that sounds absolutely pathetic.

Imagine scenario:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?

Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.

I'm a pretty patient person. I realize that parents may be new parents and might not be sure what to do and how to properly handle that situation. If the baby keeps crying and crying without stopping, then all the parents need to do is take the baby outside until it's quiet enough to bring back in.

For trains, there isn't and outside to go to, so you can take it into the bathroom or somewhere else where there isn't many people. (I've never been on a train so I don't know what's on them)

For planes, suck it up princess. The parents aren't asking the baby to cry and they can only do their best to make it stop.

I would rather parents sorted their child out straight away as opposed to banning them from classier places, but the fact is that many parents don't even bother, and many who do don't succeed, and since that is only getting worse, I see this as the next best option.

I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class et cetera, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip et cetera, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.

 

[Jakub324]

If everyone hated kids, there would be no humanity, damn it! We need kids, no matter how annoying they might be.

 

[JoJo]

Well, in my case it's not by choice. I got a bachelor degree, joined the army on a special offer (because they had a crazy lack of mapmakers) and because I wasn't certain I'd be able to finish a master's degree, having run into some difficulties. Now I'm back to studying, and I have a wife I'd love to have children with, but seeing as our income is about ? 0 a month (we have to loan everything from an organisation that provides college grants, but ours is a loan because we've been studying for too long) children are not an option.

By the time my wife finishes her study, finds a job and settles in that and we pay off the worst of the massive tuition fee debths, we'll be well over 30 and it'll be too late.

If it's any consolation, my mother had her last child aged 38 (without IVF), so I wouldn't rule out having kids in your mid-30's. Don't give up hope, if you really want them I'm sure you can find a way

 

[blaqknoise]

Brat bans? Really?

To be honest, that sounds absolutely pathetic.

Imagine scenario:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?

Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.

I'm a pretty patient person. I realize that parents may be new parents and might not be sure what to do and how to properly handle that situation. If the baby keeps crying and crying without stopping, then all the parents need to do is take the baby outside until it's quiet enough to bring back in.

For trains, there isn't and outside to go to, so you can take it into the bathroom or somewhere else where there isn't many people. (I've never been on a train so I don't know what's on them)

For planes, suck it up princess. The parents aren't asking the baby to cry and they can only do their best to make it stop.

I would rather parents sorted their child out straight away as opposed to banning them from classier places, but the fact is that many parents don't even bother, and many who do don't succeed, and since that is only getting worse, I see this as the next best option.

I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class et cetera, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip et cetera, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.

In classy restaurants the manager won't let you sit there with a crying baby for very long. He/She realizes that it isn't good for business and will ask you to take the child outside.

When you're on a plane just put on some headphones and listen to music or watch one of the movies they play. A crying baby really shouldn't bother you too much if you do that.

 

[Versuvius]

Neurologically the sound of a crying baby is tailor made to get a response out of you. To irritate another human being until it solves it's problem. NOT finding it annoying is something of a miracle in itself. Can't stand the sound myself. Childs laughter aswell gets to me. Oh and their -voices-...

 

[Phisi]

Hmm... Multiple questions. Okay, I do not have a problem with declining birth-rates as we live on a finite world so it must happen at some time. I Don't mind the changing social expectations, if they don't want kids then so what? However the banning children I find a bit strange. Some children I would call brats, not most as you would find that they are just more vocal and I have also seen many worse adults. But the fact still remains of what about the children that aren't like that. If say, a fine were to be implemented for any noisy children, and adults, on planes then who's opinion do you take? If someone hates children due to some prejudice and complains then are the parents fined or does a certain number of passengers have to complain. I do understand why people may want brat-bans. And I agree with it on the condition that they are banning brats instead or children. However a point I don't think has been raised is that if you ban children you are restricting the parents for doing something that society needs (Again I think its the parents fault if their children are brats so by all means restrict them) But it's like saying that all Garbage collectors are not allowed to eat bread. You don't need to eat bread but it seems bat-shit crazy to me to effectively punish people who society needs. But I think this discussing id mostly irrelevant as whether or not we have brat-bans depends on how society changes. Just my thoughts.

TLR Don't care about declining birthrates, undecided on brat-bans.

 

[Brandon237]

Brat bans? Really?

To be honest, that sounds absolutely pathetic.

Imagine scenario:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?

Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.

I'm a pretty patient person. I realize that parents may be new parents and might not be sure what to do and how to properly handle that situation. If the baby keeps crying and crying without stopping, then all the parents need to do is take the baby outside until it's quiet enough to bring back in.

For trains, there isn't and outside to go to, so you can take it into the bathroom or somewhere else where there isn't many people. (I've never been on a train so I don't know what's on them)

For planes, suck it up princess. The parents aren't asking the baby to cry and they can only do their best to make it stop.

I would rather parents sorted their child out straight away as opposed to banning them from classier places, but the fact is that many parents don't even bother, and many who do don't succeed, and since that is only getting worse, I see this as the next best option.

I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class et cetera, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip et cetera, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.

In classy restaurants the manager won't let you sit there with a crying baby for very long. He/She realizes that it isn't good for business and will ask you to take the child outside.

When you're on a plane just put on some headphones and listen to music or watch one of the movies they play. A crying baby really shouldn't bother you too much if you do that.

I have explained that often the manager is not there, or too busy with other matters. And it can still lead to a good 10 minutes of earache before the manager does come through to see the problem.

And headphones are often not efficient as magical blockers of all sound, no matter how high-pitched, loud and close to you.

Maybe yes, the restaurants can be done on a case by case basis, so long as it is strictly enforced that you get out with the child until it is quiet, but that cannot happen in first class, there is not the space, and most babies will be crying for a while at some point or other on a long flight.

 

[SuperSuperSuperGuy]

I loathe children, but I hate terrible parents who refuse to discipline their child and make them act appropriately. I don't need for parents to make their kids act like mini-adults. I would just like for them to know when it's not appropriate to be loud and hyperactive. "Brat bans" are a good idea, but only if they focus on brats, e.g. disruptive children. Owners of places such as restaurants should be allowed to ask someone to quiet down a bit if they're disturbing the other customers. However, there is a problem with this. It would really suck if a couple with their kid were forced to leave a restaurant without finishing their meal because their kid wouldn't shut up. I think that, instead of being banned completely, disruptive children should be restricted to a sound-proofed separate room with the same services so that people who want to bring their kids can bring them, and people who want to go about their business can do such in peace. Obviously this wouldn't work for stores, but it's an idea.

That's my opinion on those "brat bans". To answer your question, I, personally, don't want to ever have children because I can do so many more things if I don't have one, so maybe other people think that way, as well. I'd have more money for myself, and I don't have to constantly care for anyone but myself. Having a child would restrict my freedom, which is one of the things that I value most in my life. Perhaps people have started realizing this more and more, so fewer and fewer people are having children. In addition, we have contraceptive methods, as well as abortions, available to people, so sexually active couples are far less likely to have an unwanted child.

 

[blaqknoise]

Brat bans? Really?

To be honest, that sounds absolutely pathetic.

Imagine scenario:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?

Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.

I'm a pretty patient person. I realize that parents may be new parents and might not be sure what to do and how to properly handle that situation. If the baby keeps crying and crying without stopping, then all the parents need to do is take the baby outside until it's quiet enough to bring back in.

For trains, there isn't and outside to go to, so you can take it into the bathroom or somewhere else where there isn't many people. (I've never been on a train so I don't know what's on them)

For planes, suck it up princess. The parents aren't asking the baby to cry and they can only do their best to make it stop.

I would rather parents sorted their child out straight away as opposed to banning them from classier places, but the fact is that many parents don't even bother, and many who do don't succeed, and since that is only getting worse, I see this as the next best option.

I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class et cetera, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip et cetera, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.

In classy restaurants the manager won't let you sit there with a crying baby for very long. He/She realizes that it isn't good for business and will ask you to take the child outside.

When you're on a plane just put on some headphones and listen to music or watch one of the movies they play. A crying baby really shouldn't bother you too much if you do that.

I have explained that often the manager is not there, or too busy with other matters. And it can still lead to a good 10 minutes of earache before the manager does come through to see the problem.

And headphones are often not efficient as magical blockers of all sound, no matter how high-pitched, loud and close to you.

Maybe yes, the restaurants can be done on a case by case basis, so long as it is strictly enforced that you get out with the child until it is quiet, but that cannot happen in first class, there is not the space, and most babies will be crying for a while at some point or other on a long flight.

Well, it doesn't have to be the manager. They could always make a rule regarding crying babies. Something where if a baby is crying for a certain amount of time a waiter can ask the customer to take the baby outside. It isn't very hard, and it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to make a ban to keep them out entirely.

Headphones will be good enough to keep your mind on your music rather than concentrating on the crying. I do it all the time when flying between home and university.

 

[Fleischer]

What will be the new factor of overpopulation will be moreso life expectancy than birthrate. With people expected to live well into triple digits this century, populations will become an increasing social and political issue.

For my sake, I plan on having two children. If my wife's deal comes through - she has the first and I birth the second, then I might only have one kid. :b