Sarcastic apology sarcastically accepted. See that you don't bring up unrelated statistics again.spartan231490 said:I'm sorry, I didn't realize pointing out a flaw in your assertion that Americans are untrustworthy with guns, since they are provably safer with guns than they are with the unregulated ladders and cleaning products, was derailing. I didn't realize that implying that the majority of deaths do to guns come from intentional misuse, making any kind of safety training largely irrelevant, was derailing. Not to worry though, I'll be sure not to "derail" the tread with my facts again.loc978 said:Pretty much, at least on cars. With accidental ladder and poisoning deaths, the person at risk tends to be oneself. With guns and cars, the person at the most risk tends to be a stranger. The law isn't there to protect us from ourselves (or shouldn't be). It's there to protect us from each other.spartan231490 said:Based on what? The less than 1/100,000 of us that have a fatal accident each year? So much safer than the more than 7/100,000 who kill themselves with a ladder each year. Or the 10/100,000 who accidentally poison themselves? That's not even mentioning the 14/100,000 that kill themselves in a car crash. And that rate of accidental firearm fatalities is based on an estimate for number of total gun owners that is probably low by as much as 20%. But no, it's clear that the over 80 million gun-owning Americans can't be trusted to handle a weapon safely. Then again, it's also clear that if you believe that then by simple numeric progression you also don't trust your fellow Americans with Cars, Bleach, or Ladders either.loc978 said:Quite alright. In all fairness, I wouldn't trust the average American with a firearm, if I had a choice. snip
But the horribly lax licensing laws of state DMVs is a whole other subject. Way to derail. Again.