Anyone mad that they got left out of Tropico 5?

[Overlord93]

Im talking about the stupid DX11 minimum requirement, idk why Kalypso had to do that, their games are not that great graphically and not even about graphics... Well they can go fuck themselves for all i care, Tropico is dead to me now XD

 

[veloper]

Why the rush anyway?

Tropico 4 will continue to play just fine. Get T5 later and at a discount, after your old PC finally needs a replacement.

 

[Doom972]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

 

[seris]

A DX11 capable card is only like 70 dollars. Most of the old radeons support DX11 as well as most of the old nvidias

 

[Evil Smurf]

The older generation intel HD cards are DX11 capable, what are you running?

 

[josemlopes]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

To be honest though, isnt that part of the whole PC thing? Sometimes you have to upgrade your 5 year old PC to be able to play newly released games.

If they could have made it without that requirement, yes, but all in all its more optimization to be had and maybe they didnt thought it would be that worth it, I dont know, they probably had their own reasons.

All I know is that it isnt something hidden behind some locked case where you need to buy this special one time use key, games will start to use DX11 more often and some day DX12 and so on leaving the older ones behind. If you are a PC gamer you will have to upgrade your PC eventually for a lot of other games so you will be able to run Tropico 5 then.

 

[Avaholic03]

Considering the barely-incremental improvement between each game, I'm more upset that they keep selling them as full releases rather than DLC. Running Tropico 3 on all the highest settings is still pretty good visually, and it's not like the newer games have revolutionized gameplay or anything.

Also, why is the captcha advertising electronic cigarettes? I understand there are some adults on this site, but there are also a fuck-ton of kids. Seems grossly irresponsible Escapist.

 

[elvor0]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Im talking about the stupid DX11 minimum requirement, idk why Kalypso had to do that, their games are not that great graphically and not even about graphics... Well they can go fuck themselves for all i care, Tropico is dead to me now XD

Just out of curiosity, what hardware are you running? Developers can only be expected to stretch capabilities back so far, 5 years seems like a pretty solid back stretch to me. I suspect that if you can't run DX11, you might be unable to run Tropico 5 even if they had supported DX9.

 

[Doom972]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Can you run Crysis 2 with Tesselation on that thing? No. Having DX11 installed doesn't automatically mean that you are capable of using DX11 features or play DX11-only games. There are few DX11-only games, and they are all very recent. Crysis 2, for example, only required DX11 if you wanted to use tesselation, which is a DX11-only capability.

 

[Doom972]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

To be honest though, isnt that part of the whole PC thing? Sometimes you have to upgrade your 5 year old PC to be able to play newly released games.

If they could have made it without that requirement, yes, but all in all its more optimization to be had and maybe they didnt thought it would be that worth it, I dont know, they probably had their own reasons.

All I know is that it isnt something hidden behind some locked case where you need to buy this special one time use key, games will start to use DX11 more often and some day DX12 and so on leaving the older ones behind. If you are a PC gamer you will have to upgrade your PC eventually for a lot of other games so you will be able to run Tropico 5 then.

I agree. We all have to upgrade eventually, and we can't expect a PC to last forever. It's just that the Tropico series isn't known for its graphics (like, for example, the Crytek games). I would usually assume that a franchise like this would only get into DX11 only after everyone else has.

 

[elvor0]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Can you run Crysis 2 with Tesselation on that thing? No. Having DX11 installed doesn't automatically mean that you are capable of using DX11 features or play DX11-only games. There are few DX11-only games, and they are all very recent. Crysis 2, for example, only required DX11 if you wanted to use tesselation, which is a DX11-only capability.

I didn't say having it installed granted you the ability to play DX11, I said any of the cards released in the last five years short of a few, are going to have DX11 capabilites, and seeing as Tropico 5 isn't exactly graphicly beefy, you'll be fine. We're talking about Tropico 5, not Crysis 2 with full tesselation and 60fps.

Well I suppose I could get Tesselation if I turned most of the rest of the stuff down. I have a copy somewhere, I'm curious now. But I can play DirectX11 stuff regardless, Civ5, has a directX11 mode (which I always use), BF3 only runs in DX11, and I have to use DX11 if I want to use the latest shaders in 3DS Max, which I do. Sure that's on the 420m, and not the Intel HD, because it's naff. But even so, I'd say the Intel HD has the beans to run tropico 5 on minimum, as like I said, it's not graphicly beefy. But even if it couldn't it's a crummy card, and in no way should you be pissed at the developer for not supporting a terrible piece of hardware.

If you're gonna game on a PC, you need to accept that sometimes your hardware runs out of date, especially if it's incredibly old by hardware standards.

 

[saruman31]

they done fucked it up. we were not expecting the next crysis here ffs. lazy developers are lazy.

 

[Doom972]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Can you run Crysis 2 with Tesselation on that thing? No. Having DX11 installed doesn't automatically mean that you are capable of using DX11 features or play DX11-only games. There are few DX11-only games, and they are all very recent. Crysis 2, for example, only required DX11 if you wanted to use tesselation, which is a DX11-only capability.

I didn't say having it installed granted you the ability to play DX11, I said any of the cards released in the last five years short of a few, are going to have DX11 capabilites, and seeing as Tropico 5 isn't exactly graphicly beefy, you'll be fine. We're talking about Tropico 5, not Crysis 2 with full tesselation and 60fps.

Well I suppose I could get Tesselation if I turned most of the rest of the stuff down. I have a copy somewhere, I'm curious now. But I can play DirectX11 stuff regardless, Civ5, has a directX11 mode (which I always use), BF3 only runs in DX11, and I have to use DX11 if I want to use the latest shaders in 3DS Max, which I do. Sure that's on the 420m, and not the Intel HD, because it's naff. But even so, I'd say the Intel HD has the beans to run tropico 5 on minimum, as like I said, it's not graphicly beefy. But even if it couldn't it's a crummy card, and in no way should you be pissed at the developer for not supporting a terrible piece of hardware.

If you're gonna game on a PC, you need to accept that sometimes your hardware runs out of date, especially if it's incredibly old by hardware standards.

Again, it doesn't matter how "graphically beefy" a game is. If a game requires certain DX11 capabilities and won't work without them, and your graphics card isn't DX11-capable, it won't run - it doesn't matter how many settings you lower.

 

[elvor0]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Can you run Crysis 2 with Tesselation on that thing? No. Having DX11 installed doesn't automatically mean that you are capable of using DX11 features or play DX11-only games. There are few DX11-only games, and they are all very recent. Crysis 2, for example, only required DX11 if you wanted to use tesselation, which is a DX11-only capability.

I didn't say having it installed granted you the ability to play DX11, I said any of the cards released in the last five years short of a few, are going to have DX11 capabilites, and seeing as Tropico 5 isn't exactly graphicly beefy, you'll be fine. We're talking about Tropico 5, not Crysis 2 with full tesselation and 60fps.

Well I suppose I could get Tesselation if I turned most of the rest of the stuff down. I have a copy somewhere, I'm curious now. But I can play DirectX11 stuff regardless, Civ5, has a directX11 mode (which I always use), BF3 only runs in DX11, and I have to use DX11 if I want to use the latest shaders in 3DS Max, which I do. Sure that's on the 420m, and not the Intel HD, because it's naff. But even so, I'd say the Intel HD has the beans to run tropico 5 on minimum, as like I said, it's not graphicly beefy. But even if it couldn't it's a crummy card, and in no way should you be pissed at the developer for not supporting a terrible piece of hardware.

If you're gonna game on a PC, you need to accept that sometimes your hardware runs out of date, especially if it's incredibly old by hardware standards.

Again, it doesn't matter how "graphically beefy" a game is. If a game requires certain DX11 capabilities and won't work without them, and your graphics card isn't DX11-capable, it won't run - it doesn't matter how many settings you lower.

What? Why are you telling me that? Yes I know that you need a DX11 capable card in order to use DX11 only games, I've never said otherwise, did you even read what you replied to? How did you get the impression that I thought you could use DX11 without a DX11 card?

The jist of my point is almost all of the cards released in the last five years will have DX11 capability, DX9 is an old system and we can't expect it to be supported for much longer. I'm not saying that by some magic jiggery pokery if a game can only be run in DX11 mode, you could somehow circumvent that by lowing some settings if you have a DX9 only card. I'm saying that even with a crummy card released in the last five years THAT HAS DX11 capability you could likely run Tropico 5 because it's not beefy.

My response to tessellation was that even though my card IS DX11 capable, tessellation would be taxing on my PC, thus the only way I could likely get it running smoothly was to turn other settings down. I was curious as to how well I could get it to run.

That still doesn't invalidate the fact that both the Intel HD and the GeForce 420m are DX11 capable, otherwise I wouldn't be able to play BF3, CIV 5 in DX11 mode, or use various other DX11 features, regardless of how well they run.

 

[Doom972]

Are you still running Windows XP or something? Every version after (I think) Windows Vista came with automatic DX11.

As for why Tropico will need it, it's pretty much assumed the standard by now, even low end games have to at least live up to the standard. If you can make it run well and look good on >90% of the PC's out there you don't really care about the remainder.

The DX11 requirement doesn't mean you need to have DX11 installed - it means you need a DX11-capable card. According to the Steam hardware survey, most users don't have DX11-capable cards. A lot of people who would've liked to play Tropico 5 probably can't.

That... is surprising. My Laptop is running Intel HD intergrated graphics and and an Nvidia 420m, neither being exactly top of the range when they launched 4 years ago. Windows 7 launched DX11 in 2009 and even the crummy Intel HD intergrated chip can run DX11. If you've bought a pc or graphics card in the last 5 years it's going to have DX11 capability. Seems a bit unfair to blast Tropico for not using quite outdated technology; I mean there's no real reason to develop for DX9 anymore.

I know you shouldn't just aim for the bleeding edge, but DX11 isn't, it's five years old, and they can't be expected to account for for software such as DX9, that at this point is 10 years old.

Can you run Crysis 2 with Tesselation on that thing? No. Having DX11 installed doesn't automatically mean that you are capable of using DX11 features or play DX11-only games. There are few DX11-only games, and they are all very recent. Crysis 2, for example, only required DX11 if you wanted to use tesselation, which is a DX11-only capability.

I didn't say having it installed granted you the ability to play DX11, I said any of the cards released in the last five years short of a few, are going to have DX11 capabilites, and seeing as Tropico 5 isn't exactly graphicly beefy, you'll be fine. We're talking about Tropico 5, not Crysis 2 with full tesselation and 60fps.

Well I suppose I could get Tesselation if I turned most of the rest of the stuff down. I have a copy somewhere, I'm curious now. But I can play DirectX11 stuff regardless, Civ5, has a directX11 mode (which I always use), BF3 only runs in DX11, and I have to use DX11 if I want to use the latest shaders in 3DS Max, which I do. Sure that's on the 420m, and not the Intel HD, because it's naff. But even so, I'd say the Intel HD has the beans to run tropico 5 on minimum, as like I said, it's not graphicly beefy. But even if it couldn't it's a crummy card, and in no way should you be pissed at the developer for not supporting a terrible piece of hardware.

If you're gonna game on a PC, you need to accept that sometimes your hardware runs out of date, especially if it's incredibly old by hardware standards.

Again, it doesn't matter how "graphically beefy" a game is. If a game requires certain DX11 capabilities and won't work without them, and your graphics card isn't DX11-capable, it won't run - it doesn't matter how many settings you lower.

What? Why are you telling me that? Yes I know that you need a DX11 capable card in order to use DX11 only games, I've never said otherwise, did you even read what you replied to? How did you get the impression that I thought you could use DX11 without a DX11 card?

The jist of my point is almost all of the cards released in the last five years will have DX11 capability, DX9 is an old system and we can't expect it to be supported for much longer. I'm not saying that by some magic jiggery pokery if a game can only be run in DX11 mode, you could somehow circumvent that by lowing some settings if you have a DX9 only card. I'm saying that even with a crummy card released in the last five years THAT HAS DX11 capability you could likely run Tropico 5 because it's not beefy.

My response to tessellation was that even though my card IS DX11 capable, tessellation would be taxing on my PC, thus the only way I could likely get it running smoothly was to turn other settings down. I was curious as to how well I could get it to run.

That still doesn't invalidate the fact that both the Intel HD and the GeForce 420m are DX11 capable, otherwise I wouldn't be able to play BF3, CIV 5 in DX11 mode, or use various other DX11 features, regardless of how well they run.

There are few games that actually require a DX11 card. For example, you mentioned Battlefield 3 - it doesn't require you to have a DX11 card. It's not in its minimum requriements and my previous card, which only supported up to DX10, was able to run it perfectly.

We can expect more DX11 games to come out in the near future - I think we both agree on that one. It's just that the Tropico series isn't known for great graphics and high system requirements, which makes the choice of making it require DX11 seem odd.

 

[Overlord93]

Im running nVidia 9800GT with 1Gb Vram and i have no problems with most games.
And don't give me that technology goes on and u must upgrade...
Mostly all other developers make both DX9/10 build and DX11 build with additional eye candy.
Kalypso is just lazy and they are not gonna get customers that they left out, serves them right.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Im running nVidia 9800GT with 1Gb Vram and i have no problems with most games.
And don't give me that technology goes on and u must upgrade...
Mostly all other developers make both DX9/10 build and DX11 build with additional eye candy.
Kalypso is just lazy and they are not gonna get customers that they left out, serves them right.

The only advice I can give you is to save some money and get a cheap Dx11 card. Going forward into the next-gen, more and more games will require Dx11. There's no way around that. There's a very good and very cheep Dx11 card for you - GTX 750Ti. It doesn't even need a power connector. Just plug it into the PCI-e slot and you're good to go. It's more powerful that the one you currently have and more power efficient too. A bargain, really.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Im running nVidia 9800GT with 1Gb Vram and i have no problems with most games.
And don't give me that technology goes on and u must upgrade...
Mostly all other developers make both DX9/10 build and DX11 build with additional eye candy.
Kalypso is just lazy and they are not gonna get customers that they left out, serves them right.

A four digit NVIDIA card?

I think when your graphics card is at the required age for schooling it's time to look for new hardware if you still want to play new AAA's.

I'm still pissed about them dropping all that DX8 support. Not all of us need all those fancy features like pixel shader 2.0 or dynamic lighting. We were fine with static lighting. I mean everyone had DX8 at some point, i shouldn't have to upgrade my hardware just to enjoy the games i want to. Personally I've boycotted all those greedy developers who won't support DX8 anymore. Microsoft must have paid them off or something.

DirectX 8 only came out two years before DX9, where is my support guys? Fucking money hatting is where.

Pretty much, due to the extended console cycle dragging out over the years we've been pretty fortunate hardware wise with DX11 mainly utilized as a PC bonus. Now with the new console generation out developers are moving on, admittedly Tropico 5 isn't the next Crysis, it is a sign that developers are moving forward.