AOC is selling a $65 Green New Deal hoodie made from petroleum products

[Dwarvenhobble]

🤔 AOC is selling a $65 Green New Deal hoodie made from petroleum products

Socialist AOC has opened up an online shop full of super expensive merch. But one of the best items is a Green New Deal hoodie made out of some not so green materials.

notthebee.com

Of all the the ways to screw up the messaging and make it seem like it's not genuine but just about looking good

20% polyester and polyester is indeed a synthetic fiber derived from petroleum. Seems to me like this new deal is about a different kind of green.

The store also (again, unironically) features another $65 hoodie. This one reads "tax the rich,"

 

[Phoenixmgs]

There's nothing wrong with petroleum based products that aren't burned into the atmosphere. Guess what plastic is made from?

Horrible website there as the article starts with "Socialist AOC". She's not a socialist.

 

[Seanchaidh]

And yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very intelligent.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

There's nothing wrong with petroleum based products that aren't burned into the atmosphere. Guess what plastic is made from?

Horrible website there as the article starts with "Socialist AOC". She's not a socialist.

1) AOC self identifies as a Socialist so she gets called one.
2) Fast Fashion and plastic particles in landfill

Decomposing Plastic Revealed as Hidden Source of Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Plastic production is expected to increase dramatically over the next decade.

www.globalcitizen.org

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A team of researchers at the University of Hawaii studied the decomposition of various kinds of plastic and determined that methane and ethylene, two greenhouse gas emissions, are released in the process.

“Considering the amounts of plastic washing ashore on our coastlines and the amount of plastic exposed to ambient conditions, our finding provides further evidence that we need to stop plastic production at the source,” lead author Dr. Sarah-Jeanne Royer told the Daily Mail. “Especially single-use plastic.”

Some of the types of plastic that researchers studied include polycarbonate, acrylic, polypropylene, polyethylene terephthalate (PET), polystyrene, high-density polyethylene (HDPE), and low-density polyethylene (LDPE).

These plastics are found in common items like food packaging, fabrics, and toys.

Here's the full paper should you wish to read their actual findings

Production of methane and ethylene from plastic in the environment

Mass production of plastics started nearly 70 years ago and the production rate is expected to double over the next two decades. While serving many applications because of their durability, stability and low cost, plastics have deleterious effects on the environment. Plastic is known to release...

journals.plos.org

The moment the whole "Green New Deal" thing gets renamed or abandoned or anything else well those Hoodies aren't going to be in fashion anymore and a lot of them will be dumped.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

And yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very intelligent.

Funnier when you realise her campaign Hoody is 100% Organic Cotton

"Fight For Our Future" Youth Hoodie

Made in USA Union printed 50% cotton 50% polyester

shop.ocasiocortez.com

Yes her campaign Hoody is more environmentally friendly than her hoody designed to push her environmental policy lol

 

[Zeke davis]

1) AOC self identifies as a Socialist so she gets called one.
2) Fast Fashion and plastic particles in landfill

Decomposing Plastic Revealed as Hidden Source of Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Plastic production is expected to increase dramatically over the next decade.

www.globalcitizen.org

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Here's the full paper should you wish to read their actual findings

Production of methane and ethylene from plastic in the environment

Mass production of plastics started nearly 70 years ago and the production rate is expected to double over the next two decades. While serving many applications because of their durability, stability and low cost, plastics have deleterious effects on the environment. Plastic is known to release...

journals.plos.org

The moment the whole "Green New Deal" thing gets renamed or abandoned or anything else well those Hoodies aren't going to be in fashion anymore and a lot of them will be dumped.

By this metric everyone pro environments a hypocrite for using electricity.

I literally don't get how something that's not her choice is supposed to prove anything.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

By this metric everyone pro environments a hypocrite for using electricity.

I literally don't get how something that's not her choice is supposed to prove anything.

IT's her store
Her merchandise
She already had merchandise not made using petroleum products.
She already has a similar piece of merchandise to it not using it.

In touting her green positioning she's ended up.

Promoting something that lets be real is fast fashion considering how fast politics moves. Also using material that will mean it's more polluting.

Electricity is part of the modern world and required pretty much. Fast Fashion? Not so much. Especially when it's clear somewhere she did have a choice or could have made said choice.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

1) AOC self identifies as a Socialist so she gets called one.
2) Fast Fashion and plastic particles in landfill

Decomposing Plastic Revealed as Hidden Source of Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Plastic production is expected to increase dramatically over the next decade.

www.globalcitizen.org

.

Here's the full paper should you wish to read their actual findings

Production of methane and ethylene from plastic in the environment

Mass production of plastics started nearly 70 years ago and the production rate is expected to double over the next two decades. While serving many applications because of their durability, stability and low cost, plastics have deleterious effects on the environment. Plastic is known to release...

journals.plos.org

The moment the whole "Green New Deal" thing gets renamed or abandoned or anything else well those Hoodies aren't going to be in fashion anymore and a lot of them will be dumped.

Ocasio-Cortez has likened her view of democratic socialism to Scandinavian social democracy. The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. Wanting more public programs (like national healthcare) doesn't change one's economy from capitalist to socialist.

Half of plastic emissions during manufacturing comes from the fact that the energy used to produce them is fossil fuel based.

 

[Zeke davis]

IT's her store
Her merchandise
She already had merchandise not made using petroleum products.
She already has a similar piece of merchandise to it not using it.

In touting her green positioning she's ended up.

Promoting something that lets be real is fast fashion considering how fast politics moves. Also using material that will mean it's more polluting.

Electricity is part of the modern world and required pretty much. Fast Fashion? Not so much. Especially when it's clear somewhere she did have a choice or could have made said choice.

Fast fashion's problem aren't caused by "People throwing clothes away because of short lived fads". Neither is the fad of partisanship is going to lead to people throwing these away.

 

[Kwak]

She also produces carbon dioxide. WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Ocasio-Cortez has likened her view of democratic socialism to Scandinavian social democracy. The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. Wanting more public programs (like national healthcare) doesn't change one's economy from capitalist to socialist.

Half of plastic emissions during manufacturing comes from the fact that the energy used to produce them is fossil fuel based.

Again the decay of them releases CO2 as well as the links I showed do.

Also fast fashion contributes to ~10% of the global CO2 before the CO2 from the items decaying

Fast fashion speeding toward environmental disaster, report warns

Study highlights industry failures and calls for shift in consumer attitudes

www.theguardian.com

Fast fashion's problem aren't caused by "People throwing clothes away because of short lived fads". Neither is the fad of partisanship is going to lead to people throwing these away.

It pretty much is to an extent lol. Also Yeh it likely will see people throw them away at some point lol potentially in the next 4 years or less depending on how things go.

 

[Baffle]

$65 is, what, £50? It's more than I personally would spend on a hoodie unless I really liked it, but it's not outrageous either. A quick good tells me that a Levi's hoodie is £44 and a Guess one is £70 (honestly never heard of Guess, and the people in the pictures were much younger than me).

This wouldn't meet the definition of fast fashion unless you desperately wanted it to.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

$65 is, what, £50? It's more than I personally would spend on a hoodie unless I really liked it, but it's not outrageous either. A quick good tells me that a Levi's hoodie is £44 and a Guess one is £70 (honestly never heard of Guess, and the people in the pictures were much younger than me).

This wouldn't meet the definition of fast fashion unless you desperately wanted it to.

I think I paid that for 2 thermal hoodies, which I still use.

Also it kind of would be fast Fashion for the kind of people who follow fashion heavily enough.

 

[Hawki]

Dwarven Noble kind of has the right of it. Fast fashion is a real problem, in terms of both waste and emissions. But that aside, if you want to support the GND, just donate - don't purchase stuff you're not going to use (unless you need a hoodie, then go for it).

That said, AOC isn't alone in this. There's various environmental groups I donate to, but I never buy stuff from them. Like, for instance, there's a group that's selling calendars. Sorry, I've already got a calendar for 2021, I'm not buying an extra calendar to virtue signal.

Basically, "buy this to support this cause" has always struck me as being iffy, when you could donate and cut out the middleman.

 

[Baffle]

I think I paid that for 2 thermal hoodies, which I still use.

Also it kind of would be fast Fashion for the kind of people who follow fashion heavily enough.

Yeah, I usually buy discount hoodies unless it's something I really like. The most I'll pay for one is about £30. But I'm not everyone, and I don't think £50 is actually that expensive for an item of clothing that'll last for years (and hoodies by and large do - most of mine are several years old, they've just changed shape with me).

Fast fashion is a consumer behaviour problem rather than a retailer problem. Or, at least, the solution is improved consumer behaviour.

 

[Agema]

This is right up there amongst the wankiest of nothingburger gotchas.

Yeah, I usually buy discount hoodies unless it's something I really like. The most I'll pay for one is about £30. But I'm not everyone, and I don't think £50 is actually that expensive for an item of clothing that'll last for years (and hoodies by and large do - most of mine are several years old, they've just changed shape with me).

Yep. Ultimately, the easiest way to be environmentally conscious in clothing is to buy something that lasts. A robust t-shirt that will last you 10 years is pretty much guaranteed to be better than 5 that last 2 years, irrespective of what they are made of.

I don't really give much of a monkeys about polyester in clothing; polyester can be useful as it's tough and good for lifespan. Cotton might be the obvious choice, but even organic cotton production poses significant environmental challenges. Leather involves a suprising amount of toxic chemicals, lots of semi-synthetics like viscose likewise. I'd guess that wool, hemp and linen are probably pretty good environmentally, although they have other limitations. I think there are newer semi-synthetics, but I don't know whether they're much better than stuff like viscose.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I don't really give much of a monkeys about polyester in clothing; polyester can be useful as it's tough and good for lifespan. Cotton might be the obvious choice, but even organic cotton production poses significant environmental challenges. Leather involves a suprising amount of toxic chemicals, lots of semi-synthetics like viscose likewise. I'd guess that wool, hemp and linen are probably pretty good environmentally, although they have other limitations. I think there are newer semi-synthetics, but I don't know whether they're much better than stuff like viscose.

There's talk about bamboo fibres (constantly seeing annoying adds for male underwear made from bamboo), which grows everywhere and you can do all sorts of things with. Especially living in Australia which is under drought condition half the time, would really like to see people move to less water intensive crops.

 

[Baffle]

There's talk about bamboo fibres (constantly seeing annoying adds for male underwear made from bamboo), which grows everywhere and you can do all sorts of things with. Especially living in Australia which is under drought condition half the time, would really like to see people move to less water intensive crops.

I have bamboo fibre bedding and it's really nice.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Agema]

There's talk about bamboo fibres (constantly seeing annoying adds for male underwear made from bamboo), which grows everywhere and you can do all sorts of things with. Especially living in Australia which is under drought condition half the time, would really like to see people move to less water intensive crops.

That is almost certainly viscose.

Well, I say viscose, but it might be one of a range of very similar production methods for turning plant cellulose into fibre (things like rayon, etc), and they've invented various names to describe such products. The basic point is that the processing to do this involves a lot of stuff that can be pretty environmentally nasty - toxic chemicals, energy intensive, possibly high water requirements.

They make it sound like its really lovely and environmentally sustainable, but it's something prospective environmentally-conscious buyers would be advised to check very carefully indeed on a case by case basis, because at least some will be polluting the crap out places.