Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future

cbert

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I keep seeing "strawman" tossed around and only one thing comes to mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI
 

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Witty Name Here said:
DeathWyrmNexus said:
Witty Name Here said:
Archbishop, I have the deepest respect for you as a leader in the Catholic Church, but don't ask me to give up my copy of Saints Row 2! I've given up to much already!!!


But anyways, back on topic, at least this guy has the respect to say that he doesn't believe all games are bad, that's still a step up from, "THE SECOND YOUR CHILD PICKS UP A CONTROLLER! YOU'RE GUARANTEEING HIS FUTURE AS A MURDERER!"


Lastly, no offense to whoever wrote the article but as a Catholic, I'm offended by that whole "Catholic priests have done more to harm the youth of this world" comment. In truth the amount of Pedophiles that serve(d) as priests are about the same number as any other Religion, Catholic priests don't have a "higher" chance of molesting children as much as, say, a Vicar or a Minister or whomever leads you in worship.
Catholic priests HAVE done more harm to children than video games. That's the problem. When other denominations come out decrying video games as murder trainers, we will poke them in the head with their hypocrisy too.

Care to point out where exactly he is false in stating that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth than video games?
No offense but... Did you even read my post?

I NEVER said that videogames do more harm to kids then catholic priests, I even admitted to playing Saints Row 2.

I said that Catholic priests don't molest kids more then any other public official with an access to children, I never once claimed that Videogames do more harm to kids then Catholic Priests.
One priest sexually abused 200 little deaf boys in his care.

I don't think you understand the SCALE of this abuse and how long the conspiracy of silence went on. And it was BECAUSE of the extraordinary conspiracy to cover it up that it got this bad, it's not "the same as any other organisation"

To find more prolific cases of child abuse you have to go to warzones in Central Africa or other secretive religious organisations. It has gotten REALLY REALLY bad, unbelievably bad, as in most people can't believe it got as bad as it got but it did.
 

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DeathWyrmNexus said:
Also, the Archbishop Chaput DIRECTLY kept the priests from legal trouble and settled the matter for a sum of 5.5 million dollars. That is harboring and abetting a criminal who preys on children.

You. Are. Willfully. Ignoring. Facts.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2008/07_08/2008_07_01_CatholicNewsAgency_ArchdioceseOf.htm

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archdiocese_of_denver_settles_majority_of_sex_abuse_claims_for_5.5_million/

Care to concede now? He was personally involved with keeping things under wraps instead of bringing child molesters to justice. I repeat the word again... PERSONALLY...
What the crap are you talking about? Read these articles again, both these priests are dead. One died before allegations of sexual abuse were brought up and the other was removed from the clergy after allegations and died shortly after. Or are you suggesting he helped these priests fake their deaths?

Also if I were going to try and keep something "underwraps" I wouldn't give press conferences about it telling the reporters exactly how much I paid and everything.

Chaput also opened up confidential records of these men for the victims something that seems to go against standard church policies. Reading these articles I can't see any flaw in what this guy did. He was appointed to this position after all these events took place.

Edit: Had an email telling me that he is hushing up that one case that hasn't been settled and hiding the priest connected to that. Not true. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop_chaput_takes_immediate_action_on_sex_abuse_allegation_in_denver/ That priests name is Fr. Thomas civil authorities were contacted upon accusation.
 

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Yeah, Columbine would have never happened if the shooters had been reading books like Catcher in the Rye and not playing Doom.
 

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People like this are like the crazy lady in "The Mist," and it's best to treat them as such. Not the whole shoot-them-while-they're-holding-spoiled-milk thing, but just ignored and left alone.

Really though, by now I think this guy's views on the video game world are *puts on glasses*
Chaput! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah!

*takes off glasses* did...did anyone else do that already? I couldn't tell, I had my shades on.
 

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starwarsgeek said:
vansau said:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have
That was completely unnecessary.
Why? The gaming community's detractors aren't going to pull any punches, as they've proven in this particular instance and time after time beforehand. Why should game journalists have to play nice?

OT: Wow...now religion's ranting about how the government is evil for telling parents to do their job...what a shock. /sarcasm
 

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Everyones getting mad in a religion/game law thread !
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vansau said:
That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.
really?

how is this even relatively relevant to the article?

I mean, I hate all kinds and forms of organized religion, but throwing this piece between an article about what one catholic man states is just trying to create commotion over such a simple matter, you already made it clear that he is a nut job and dumb with the related comments you made, why lower to his level with something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand?

anything for 10 pages of comments, I guess...
 

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Does anybody recall a time when this argument was going on about television and not violent video games. This is just another spoke in the wheel o' shame kids. It means nothing now, as it meant nothing then. Just wait until they invent the holodeck.
 

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First of all, what antural rights of parents? I work at Wal-Mart. I ahve seen parents that should never have been allowed to breed, much less be let out into society.

Second of all, parents can choose what video games their children play. All teh parent has to do is research the game. It's not that hard.

Third of all, the ruling was in favor of the First Amendment, i.e. Freedom of Speech. One of the justices did say that you cannot discriminate between types of speech just becasue you don't like one.

You can't use isolated instances of real world violence as a good argument against video games. There is no way to prove that video games were the result of what happened at Columbine. In guarantee that if you asked that archbishop if all priests molested children, he'd say something along the lines of how you can't judge all priests from a couple of nutjobs.
 

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believer258 said:
Violent video games and rights of parents...

...Here's how that should work: Some video games are violent. Many kids want to get their grimy little hands on them. It is the right of the parent to say "No, you have to pick a different game, you're too young for that one"

As disappointed as that line made me as a kid, it didn't harm me one fucking bit to play Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Mario as a kid instead of Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, and the earlier iterations of Grand Theft Auto. And it didn't take my parents two seconds to say no, because I knew that if I complained and begged they'd drag my ass out of there kicking and screaming and I would go home, minus any new video games and plus a sore attitude for the rest of the day.

That is parenting, NOT some damn government making it as illegal to buy kids M games as it is to buy them porn or beer.
Precisely. Still, my parents let me play Metal Gear Solid and Tekken as well and I don't think it's done me any harm. *twitches*
 

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I will start listening to one of these guys when they stop being stupid and close-mindedly subjective. You know, when they analyze the effect of all violent media, you know, tv, movies, book and video games and the like, make a clear-cut statement of their opinion, discuss both sides of the argument and then propose what they would like to see happen. But who are we kidding? That's a few years off, in the best case scenario.
 

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vansau said:
Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future



That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

Source: Catholic News Agency via <a href=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/07/05/denver-archbishop-calls-scotus-decision-039wrong039>GamePolitics

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Epic burn. I guess fearmongering is too hard to stop.