Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future
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Even if you didn't mean to offend anyone the bit about the child abuse by Catholic Priests was unneeded and inflammatory. Was it wrong of them? yes. Did the Catholic's abuse have anything to do with this case? No. Would saying it make his arguments any more wrong? No.
This case pertained to violence in games, bringing that up would be valid in an argument about sexual ramifications of "mature" games. I.E. The bulletstorm fiasco. But here it was arbitrary, like a "yo mama" joke at the end of a debate you had already won.
This case pertained to violence in games, bringing that up would be valid in an argument about sexual ramifications of "mature" games. I.E. The bulletstorm fiasco. But here it was arbitrary, like a "yo mama" joke at the end of a debate you had already won.
You know that statement you dismissed as being completely wrong? It was actually right.
He just believes protecting children is more important than free speech, which was ultimately the decision of one of the judges and what a lot of the others ruled against.
I mean we're beginning to deny science a bit. When it was found that the studies that showed videogames causing violence to be better reviewed and more respectable than the (smaller) amount of studies showing the other case, you can't just stick you're fingers in your ears.
There are better grounds to fight on than a lie. Free speech is more important than children. It's the parents responsibility. Games aren't different than other media (and then you need to find science to back this up). The level of violence isn't great. etc
He just believes protecting children is more important than free speech, which was ultimately the decision of one of the judges and what a lot of the others ruled against.
I mean we're beginning to deny science a bit. When it was found that the studies that showed videogames causing violence to be better reviewed and more respectable than the (smaller) amount of studies showing the other case, you can't just stick you're fingers in your ears.
There are better grounds to fight on than a lie. Free speech is more important than children. It's the parents responsibility. Games aren't different than other media (and then you need to find science to back this up). The level of violence isn't great. etc
Well said.vansau said:
I think what really bothers me about this is that this guy's speaking out against video games, claiming that they're "Poisoning our future," but when has any priest tried to do anything about other priests abusing their power and authority to molest children? I can't think of any times off the top of my head. The Pope certainly hasn't done jack shit (excuse the language). No, the only thing that comes to mind is that document that instructs all priests to cover up any allegations of sexual abuse. What they're doing isn't far from blackmail.
It really is worth a read. If you're in the mood to feel absolutely disgusted, that is.
http://www.unknownnews.org/030817pedopriests.html
The difference is that as soon as it is discovered that a teacher is a pedophile he is fired no matter who finds out. In the catholic church a lot of the priests get protection from being revealed to not create a scandal and many of them get to continue on their path for years. 30% of all accusations are never investigated, 11% of the cases go on for 4 years or more. In 52 years 4% of the priests serving have been accused. I think that is higher than most professions.shameduser said:
OT: Using one incident as proof that gaming cause violence makes me wonder. If he means that is proof everyone who plays violent games eventually will go on a killing spree, why is it still news when it happens? We would think that if everyone did it we would be used to it. It's a good scapegoat, sure, so by all means, keep on blaming video games for not preventing someone from snapping. We just won a huge battle when it comes to this so right now we're safe and don't need the blessing of the archbishop to keep on loving video games.
As for the Archbishop's opinion, it's the usual ignorance and sensationalism filled stuff we hear so many times. Hopefully in a few years we'll start having elected officials and people in positions of power that already grew up with videogames and understand that they're not training for serial killers.
He has the right to his own opinion.
And we have the right to slam it. Get your own people sorted out first as far as "doing harm to youth" is concerned before you go slamming other institutions' decisions.
And we have the right to slam it. Get your own people sorted out first as far as "doing harm to youth" is concerned before you go slamming other institutions' decisions.
Just adding a post to say I'm in agreement with the others pointed out on how unnecessary and spiteful that sex crimes jab was, however ignorant and discriminative the bishop in question evidently is -.-
That was just.. I hope there are some repercussions for that. Not all of your readers are belligerent atheists or anti-Christian, you know. I may be Anglican, and somewhat agnostic at that, but I share a great many beliefs with Catholicism and certainly believe the vast majority of the Catholic clergy are good, moral people, and wholly undeserving of that sort of distasteful journalism. Not to mention the fact that it was not solely the Catholic parts of the Christian church that have been hurt by the recent criminal cases; nor even Christianity alone, I imagine.
While some have rightly noted that there is a valid point buried in there, it could have been stated much more clearly, and a fair bit less smugly. When so many people see only 'a few members of the Catholic church committed crimes against children, therefore this man's argument is irrelevant' and/or a cheap shot taken for the sake of more bigoted readers' entertainment, and you have to make several logical steps to reach the 'intended meaning' yourself, then there's something wrong with the way the point is delivered.
And while we're at it, since it's an issue some posters here seem to have trouble dealing with: Catholicism≠All of Christianity.
That was just.. I hope there are some repercussions for that. Not all of your readers are belligerent atheists or anti-Christian, you know. I may be Anglican, and somewhat agnostic at that, but I share a great many beliefs with Catholicism and certainly believe the vast majority of the Catholic clergy are good, moral people, and wholly undeserving of that sort of distasteful journalism. Not to mention the fact that it was not solely the Catholic parts of the Christian church that have been hurt by the recent criminal cases; nor even Christianity alone, I imagine.
While some have rightly noted that there is a valid point buried in there, it could have been stated much more clearly, and a fair bit less smugly. When so many people see only 'a few members of the Catholic church committed crimes against children, therefore this man's argument is irrelevant' and/or a cheap shot taken for the sake of more bigoted readers' entertainment, and you have to make several logical steps to reach the 'intended meaning' yourself, then there's something wrong with the way the point is delivered.
And while we're at it, since it's an issue some posters here seem to have trouble dealing with: Catholicism≠All of Christianity.
Eh, I'm an agnostic and I found it ridiculously relevant. Then again, I don't believe in protecting the sensibilities of such an organization.
Fourthed. I'm, a Christian (not Cathlic, but still a Christian) and it's really infuriating how people now seem to judge ALL priests by the stupid mistakes of a few. No other profession in the world would recieve this treatment. It's prejudice. And I certainly didn't expect it from the Escapist. I feel kind of let down. Poor show vansau. Poor show.Eri said:
"extends and elevates the individual's right to free expression - or in this case, a corporation's right to make a healthy profit - at the expense of family sovereignty, the natural rights of parents and the intent of the Constitution's authors."
God forbid that a parent should have to, you know, be a parent and make sure their kids aren't playing violent games...
God forbid that a parent should have to, you know, be a parent and make sure their kids aren't playing violent games...
Perhaps, but teachers do not, as a unified organisation, collude to cover up these crimes and refuse to cooperate with the police in their investigations of such crimes, on a worldwide scale. And they certainly don't do it whilst claiming to be speaking as a higher moral authority.shameduser said:
The Catholic Church will start winning back respect when they start handing these people over to the relevant secular authorities rather than shifting them around or hiding them in monasteries, whilst silencing the victims. Until they do that it's a stick they deserve to be beaten with every single time they pretend to be better than the rest of us.
He thinks that Great. His right to do so. Hell, he even has right to talk about in public. What he shouldn't do however is saying that the court ruling was "bad". As a priest,and even more so as an archbishop he has possibility and duty to speak about it with the people who go to catholic church.
It's same with every other social/political issue. If something is wrong from religious point of view feel free to keep it within the community of those who follow such rules and guidelines - don't go out with it to the rest of the world because frankly i do not care what does your belief say in that matter at this point.
Oh, and i thought we already figured out that Columbine Massacre, while was partially "inspired" by videogame experience, was caused by other, more serious and more widespread issues than teens playing "violent" videogames.
It's same with every other social/political issue. If something is wrong from religious point of view feel free to keep it within the community of those who follow such rules and guidelines - don't go out with it to the rest of the world because frankly i do not care what does your belief say in that matter at this point.
Oh, and i thought we already figured out that Columbine Massacre, while was partially "inspired" by videogame experience, was caused by other, more serious and more widespread issues than teens playing "violent" videogames.