This.Batman, obviously. Just doesn't work to have some random guy dressed as a bat who punches mobsters hang out with an alien, another alien and a deity or two.
This is kind of even worse in the Marvel universe, since DC heroes usually operate out their own home city. The Batfamily. Gotham. Superman. Metropolis. Flash. Central City. And so on. The whole "why is Batman in the League, or doesn't Superman swoop in to bust Joker in under a second?" thing can at least be somewhat excused by the various heroes having their own turf to mind.Batman, obviously. Just doesn't work to have some random guy dressed as a bat who punches mobsters hang out with an alien, another alien and a deity or two.
In fairness to the Punisher, he mostly "fucks things up" for the most depraved, unsympathetic criminals. In fact, he's caused less collateral damage than most superheroes.The Punisher. He's better as a lone wolf because there's no good reason someone like Luke Cage or hell, even Thor smash the stupid ponce into oblivion for his complete inability to look past his own nose and pain and subsequently fuck things up for other people.
Funny enough, Justice League Unlimited acknowledges this in a certain way. GA was brought to the JL to act as some mortality chain for the League if they ever decided to go rouge. Even he knew there was not much he could do to stop them and he call them out on this mind set. Despite knowing how outclassed he is in power scale, does not stop the dude from trying taking on more powerful villains.I'll add Green Arrow to this, least in the Arrowverse. Stand alone, it's fine. But in a universe of speedsters, super-powered kryptonians, and magic-users, I'm supposed to be impressed by Robin Hood 2.0? And he's somehow meant to not be dead weight?
I agree with the X-Men example as it suffers the most from this. Despite that, I usually don't have a problem with crossovers along they are done well.I've always thought the X-men, when considering the whole Marvel universe, are ultra stupid. The treatment mutants get just make absolutely NO sense when other superheroes are idolized.
This one's kind of obvious, but every character or franchise DC bought and tried to cram into their superhero universe.
No he also ruins perfectly good stings and undercover operations run by SHIELD and the like. Plus he's sanctimonious as fuck about it. He's more compelling - but I still hate him - in things like Punisher Max where there aren't other superheroes.In fairness to the Punisher, he mostly "fucks things up" for the most depraved, unsympathetic criminals. In fact, he's caused less collateral damage than most superheroes.
I know the Punisher: War Zone movie dealt with him accidentally killing an undercover FBI agent. I don't recall him ruining any SHIELD or sting operations in the comics but I could have missed those.No he also ruins perfectly good stings and undercover operations run by SHIELD and the like. Plus he's sanctimonious as fuck about it. He's more compelling - but I still hate him - in things like Punisher Max where there aren't other superheroes.
Funny enough, Justice League Unlimited acknowledges this in a certain way. GA was brought to the JL to act as some mortality chain for the League if they ever decided to go rouge. Even he knew there was not much he could do to stop them and he call them out on this mind set. Despite knowing how outclassed he is in power scale, does not stop the dude from trying taking on more powerful villains.
Basically all the DC animated series Bruce Timm oversaw from Batman: The Animated Series to Justice League Unlimited are like this to some extent. They've got a very carefully balanced tone where they can deal with moral shades of grey without going off the deep end into being completely grim dark gritty.Huh. That's...unusually mature for a cartoon with spandex-clad superheroes. Interesting.
Agreed. Though they did screw up in a couple of areas. My problem some retconning that didn't need to be happen that ties with Batman Beyond. Also, Timm and his team really screwed the pooch with The Kiilling Joke adaption. You already know why.Basically all the DC animated series Bruce Timm oversaw from Batman: The Animated Series to Justice League Unlimited are like this to some extent. They've got a very carefully balanced tone where they can deal with moral shades of grey without going off the deep end into being completely grim dark gritty.
Western superheroes, at least the ones by the Big 2, all too often have a very immature depiction of killing and the various nuances.Huh. That's...unusually mature for a cartoon with spandex-clad superheroes. Interesting.
Even then, Arrowverse Ollie can't even claim to be the moral compass. Or, he can...before he went down the route of "killing is bad, m'kay?" because the writers decided he wanted to be like Batman or something. Despite the fact that season 3 onward has to convolute itself to justify non-killing in most cases.
Yeah, sometimes I like my vigilantes dark and gritty. Bite me.
I mean I don't mind them being in the same universe, but don't expect me to buy he's in the same weight class as literal gods who can atomize a planet from orbit.Batman, obviously. Just doesn't work to have some random guy dressed as a bat who punches mobsters hang out with an alien, another alien and a deity or two.