Are we ready for the Bidenvilles?

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Also, as far as I understand, there was plenty of dislike for Clinton as well.
Republicans have been targeting Hillary with hate since she was first lady. So shes probably the most hated politician in America because of how long they have been going after her.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
What's a bidenville?
A dumb leftie joke that references hoovervilles which were big shanty towns in the great depression, people blamed president Herbert Hoover for not doing enough for people so they named them after him. So, Bidenvilles aren't actually a thing, just a stupid leftie in-joke.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Couldn't he just extend it per executive order? Congress is a farce anyway.
Supreme court ruled that he could not so it has to go to congress now.
 

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Guess testing whether that would actually happen wasn't important enough to delay vacation, oh well
They don't really have to "test" it. It's been the GOP's SOP forever. They've been recorded flat out saying their plan is to block anything and everything the Dem's are going to try and do, and just fuck everything up with legalities and red tape. There is a mountain of examples of them doing this at every opportunity.

So while I'm not a fan of the fact that these Dem's did leave on vacation and just ignored this shit, let's not pretend like we don't already know what the fuck the republican fuckwads would've done.
 

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They don't really have to "test" it. It's been the GOP's SOP forever. They've been recorded flat out saying their plan is to block anything and everything the Dem's are going to try and do, and just fuck everything up with legalities and red tape. There is a mountain of examples of them doing this at every opportunity.

So while I'm not a fan of the fact that these Dem's did leave on vacation and just ignored this shit, let's not pretend like we don't already know what the fuck the republican fuckwads would've done.
If you can make your opponents go out of their way to oppose the eviction of millions, to force you to get rid of the filibuster in order to overcome them, you absolutely should do that. There is absolutely no excuse politically for not doing this except that they didn't want to extend the moratorium anyway.
 

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They don't really have to "test" it. It's been the GOP's SOP forever. They've been recorded flat out saying their plan is to block anything and everything the Dem's are going to try and do, and just fuck everything up with legalities and red tape. There is a mountain of examples of them doing this at every opportunity.

So while I'm not a fan of the fact that these Dem's did leave on vacation and just ignored this shit, let's not pretend like we don't already know what the fuck the republican fuckwads would've done.
They still should have stayed and tried. If the GOP are as intent as you say to act like complete shit pistons for no reason other than to be complete dicks then may as well force them to make their spectacle public and be recorded on whatever the American version of Hansard is, and preserved for eternity on the record.
 

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If you can make your opponents go out of their way to oppose the eviction of millions, to force you to get rid of the filibuster in order to overcome them, you absolutely should do that. There is absolutely no excuse politically for not doing this except that they didn't want to extend the moratorium anyway.
It can be more complex than that.

Imagine a party forces a load of stuff through, but a substantial number of people whose vote it needs don't like those bills, or don't like the way the party forced it through. The long-term result is that the party risks handing long-term power to its opponents through both losing some of its voters and energising its opponents. And even worse, it's given their opponents tools to force a load of their shit on the country when they take power.
 
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Supreme court ruled that he could not so it has to go to congress now.
I thought they could only do that when an order is considered unconstitutional. Trump pretty much ruled per decree though it had lower courts issuing injuctions to block executive orders. Supreme Court isn't exactly happy with those injuctions so it seems kind of odd they would rule that way unless there is a political element to it.

What Seanchaidh said sounds like the most logical explanation. The same reason Biden doesn't want to issue an EO is the same reason he doesn't want to pass the bill to congress; he simply doesn't want to alienate the dems that oppose it. It's easier to simply blame the republicans without exposing the divisions in your own political party. It's just too bad for all the people who will now become homeless.
 

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Vote for us so the other guys don't get in. But if we actually force through the stuff you voted for us for we might just lose the next election. So put us in power so we can maintain the power to not ever help anyone.

Yeah, representative democracy was a fantastic idea.
 
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Homelessness from 2019 to 2020 increased 2%, which only further highlights the failure of allowing lawless tent cities to expand despite their not being a massive increase in homelessness. You decided to argue against talking point I didn't make instead of me, and you still missed the mark.

See, do you get why this is a bad look?

Edit: also, assuming you got that number from the same place I found, that 2020 measurement was January 2020.
 
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They still should have stayed and tried. If the GOP are as intent as you say to act like complete shit pistons for no reason other than to be complete dicks then may as well force them to make their spectacle public and be recorded on whatever the American version of Hansard is, and preserved for eternity on the record.
I agree, they should've stayed, doesn't change what we all know the GOP would've done.
 

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Vote for us so the other guys don't get in. But if we actually force through the stuff you voted for us for we might just lose the next election. So put us in power so we can maintain the power to not ever help anyone.

Yeah, representative democracy was a fantastic idea.
A substantial number of people probably voted Demcorat with little more motivation than just not wanting the Republicans in. Certainly a great number of the Democrats' voters did not vote Democrat for the sorts of policies popular on this forum.

It is understandable that the ~20% of the USA that are progressive might become disenchanted with a system that makes it hard for ~20% of the population to run the government.
 

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A substantial number of people probably voted Demcorat with little more motivation than just not wanting the Republicans in. Certainly a great number of the Democrats' voters did not vote Democrat for the sorts of policies popular on this forum.

It is understandable that the ~20% of the USA that are progressive might become disenchanted with a system that makes it hard for ~20% of the population to run the government.
Considering gerrymandering and the electoral college it seems you guys have found the worst of both worlds.

It's understandable that the people with the privilege of not living with food and housing insecurity don't see this as an issue that needs to be fixed urgently.
 
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I thought they could only do that when an order is considered unconstitutional. Trump pretty much ruled per decree though it had lower courts issuing injuctions to block executive orders. Supreme Court isn't exactly happy with those injuctions so it seems kind of odd they would rule that way unless there is a political element to it.

What Seanchaidh said sounds like the most logical explanation. The same reason Biden doesn't want to issue an EO is the same reason he doesn't want to pass the bill to congress; he simply doesn't want to alienate the dems that oppose it. It's easier to simply blame the republicans without exposing the divisions in your own political party. It's just too bad for all the people who will now become homeless.
When the supreme court ruled that the moratorium could be extended an additional month, one of the caveats was that to extend it past July 31, they would need "specific congressional authorization." An executive order can't really get around that.

An executive order is not just a simple 'president gets to do whatever he wants power' its limited by the courts. If a president issues an EO then a judge rules against it, it becomes a whole big thing that will end up in front of the supreme court who has already said they want congress to be the ones to do something about this so it would just be a waste of time.
 

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An executive order is not just a simple 'president gets to do whatever he wants power' its limited by the courts. If a president issues an EO then a judge rules against it, it becomes a whole big thing that will end up in front of the supreme court who has already said they want congress to be the ones to do something about this so it would just be a waste of time.
Unless the EO were permitted to remain active until it exhausted appeals: if the executive just wanted a few more months and it would take that long to exhaust appeals, it's a valid (if slightly dirty) tactic.
 

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According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development it would cost about $20 billion to end homelessness in the United States. This is indisputably a large amount of money. However, it is slightly less than 0.31% of the total federal budget for for 2020 which was about $6.55 trillion. In contrast the defence budget for 2020 was $778 billion, which is about 11.8% of that year's federal budget. (65% of the budget was spent on social security, medicare, medicaid, and other benefits, which suggests to me that some of these benefits may not be being administered in a very efficient way)
 
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According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development it would cost about $20 billion to end homelessness in the United States. This is indisputably a large amount of money. However, it is slightly less than 0.31% of the total federal budget for for 2020 which was about $6.55 trillion. In contrast the defence budget for 2020 was $778 billion, which is about 11.8% of that year's federal budget. (65% of the budget was spent on social security, medicare, medicaid, and other benefits, which suggests to me that some of these benefits may not be being administered in a very efficient way)
Do they provide specifics on how they would need to use that money to end homelessness?