Iron Mal said:
I personally don't trust anyone who diagnoses themselves with Asperger's, only the people who have a trained medical professional diagnose them (I should know, I'm one of those with the condition).
And see, we could all choose to "not trust you" about you saying that. Why? Because plenty of people
claim to have it, and provide no documentation. You could be lying, right? That's the point being made -- we should not allow the fact that
some people lodge disingenuous complaints to make use believe that
all such complaints must therefore be disingenuous.
That's what you're doing here -- you're summarily dismissing the merits of any view that you know disagrees with your own. Rather than just disagreeing, you've got to somehow indicate the idea is ridiculous in some way.
Nice way to try and avoid answering the question I gave you, but to answer your evasive response I would have to say that you can't claim that you aren't against the use of the word ***** when that was seemingly the platform of your complaint (that every woman in the game is called a *****), either that word bothers you or it doesn't.
If it doesn't then what's the problem?
I can claim whatever I like about what I am for or against. That's the great thing about it being
my view. If you're misunderstanding it, it's probably because you're not trying very hard to do so -- you've already made up your mind about it because it doesn't agree with you.
I've made it pretty clear, and will do so again: the word itself is not the concern.
The broad, pervasive use of the word to apply to every female in the game, is the concern. There's nothing wrong with Twinkies, but eating
a diet of nothing but Twinkies is a problem -- sometimes, the problem isn't with the subject, but rather with the excess of the subject.
Again, it's not lazy writing so much as it's just fitting for the characters in question.
It's both. Yes, uneducated thugs would conceivably speak that way. No, that doesn't mean the writers can't be expected to inject a
little variety here.
This is a game about a rich man dressed as a bat fighting criminals that use superhuman chemicals and monster plants -- you want to fixate on the realistic presentation of some thugs? Why should they get a fairer, more realistic treatment than all of the female characters -- who, gender aside, are more important to the story
anyway?
So you wouldn't have any problem what-so-ever if the other women got different terms of abuse hurled at them?
That's a...strange sentiment to have.
Only if you're improperly framing my view of the problem. I also don't think the terms necessarily have to be female-abusive. It's a false choice -- it's not like the only things we could call her are "*****" or "****." There are other gender-neutral insults we could mix in, y'know, for variety.
And the absence of expletives suddenly makes a work more mature as well?
False dichotomy. Strawman. No one said that, no one indicated it. This is just spinning wheels in the dirt to kick up a cloud and confuse the issue.
Bias is unintentional, we all have biases and they're always active whether we recognise them or not (most of the time we don't). Biases are largely harmless and often don't result in anything (like I said, we all have biases and for the most part we all tend to believe in the equal and fair treatment of others despite this).
No True Scotsman. You're drawing artificial distinctions between "bias" and "-isms." You're also creating an imaginary definition of "bias." Sexism is a bias -- one that centers around gender. This is just trying to redefine the terminology to match your personal feelings, rather than accept that your current view is limited or flawed.
The writers aren't the ones saying *****, the characters are so stop harping on the 'lazy writers' complaint because it plainly isn't that.
I'll harp where I like, thank you much. The characters are only "saying" these things because the writers "told them" to. It's one thing to write a villain to intentionally represent views you don't believe. It's another to accidentally (through laziness) write villains that betray an underlying bias in how you view women --
or at least leave the window wide open for things to be interpreted that way.
Developers and writers need to be aware of how things like this may be perceived. In this case, they were not. Is it a death sentence for the game? Of course not. But it's a flaw that is worth pointing out so we can fix it going forward.