That video...I don't know whether it is raw genius or amazing stupidity. That guy mentions a whole lot of valid points, but also a whole lot of garbage. He backs up his claims with actual evidence. His points are convincing, even if they aren't all true, he has done one hell of a job of making most of his points extremely convincing. Yes, his evidence is hand-picked. Yes, he has generalized a LOT. And I mean a LOT. Some of his "studies" need far more research, e.g. women having a smaller variance in personalities than men.Genuine Evil said:I make it a point to watch /play/read anything no matter how revolting if there is something to be gained from it . but watching that video made angry , and then I got angrier for getting angry at a YouTube video and then I started writing a rebuttal and got angry from doing that ?????.. ..so yeah it didn?t go well and eventually I decided not post anything. but now that it?s been a while I?d like to say that the main point of that video the idea than men somehow can?t control themselves when they re in front of women is more offensive to guy?s then it is to girls .Overusedname said:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.385133-From-The-Kitchen-To-The-Controller-Girl-Gamers-Exposed
OT: while we?ll always have games that are made with more of a female or male audience in mind im happy to say that all my top 10 games weren?t made for guys or for girls they were made for people and can be enjoyed equally by everyone no matter their sex .
I really don't know what to say at this point since that was more or less 30 mins of getting bombarded with both huge examples of brilliant points and fallacies.
Regardless of what he has said, I hold onto my point that if females want to see better and "equal" representation in gaming, they need to drive themselves forward in large numbers, they need to prove to the community that they exist and can stand on their own.
"Why should girls need to prove anything?" I keep getting asked (it's so annoying) - maybe because it's what all guys have to do as well? The competetive gaming community is ALL about proving yourself, otherwise you're a nobody who will be trodden on regardless of your gender. For some reason, female gamers see this as an attack on them specifically.
Until female gamers make a move en-masse, to males it will come off as a small bunch of easily-offended feminists wanting to force themselves into whatever is popular at the time (i.e. gaming). I KNOW IT ISN'T TRUE. But that's the impression it's leaving on a lot of males. I personally don't agree with it, but I personally can't change it.
I don't tolerate sexist behavior because my standards in gaming don't change whether I'm playing against a guy or girl, I treat them equally.
But that's not changing the fact that there are jack-all girls playing competetive games at the moment.
As that video pointed out, a handful of women posing in videos saying "Hi, I'm a girl, and I play games!" is going to do nothing but make male gamers laugh and reject the notion even more.
They need to make their presence felt in gaming itself. Not in videos or other forms of media, not in news articles, to convince GAMERS you need to have a strong presence in GAMES, and you need to climb the ladder like everyone else while getting pelted by trash talk, discrimination and sexism - but if enough of you make it to the top, you'll be accepted into the community like everyone else. So either climb that ladder, or stay put.
Man...quite a while ago I had pointed out that one of the main issues is the blatant lack of female developers, and I had been immediately shot down by many people with comments ranging from "wrong, there are TONS of female developers!" to "doesn't matter, male developers should make games that cater to both sexes!"Dexter111 said:Still look like this:
And now suddenly a lot more people noticed that it's not so simple, that a lack of female interest in game development is indeed ONE of the major causes of the discrimination and inequality. So we're back to one of my initial point - women love to claim gaming but they back away from having to do actual work and make the games, or climb the competitive ladder. That's just lazy. Meanwhile males make up 90%+ of development teams, and yet feminists are trying to shoot them down because of a couple of sexist games - they're trying to force equality out of a situation that was never equal to begin with?
Not saying you're one of those people (this post isn't directed at you), but just saying that I'm happy that the message has finally got through.
Now how to deliver the rest of the messages....