Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag Review - Pirate this Game!

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Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag Review - Pirate this Game!

Ubisoft took the best parts of AC3 and made a badass pirate game.

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Eruanno

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How is the performance on current-gen consoles? Because I know AC3 didn't exactly hold 30 fps at all times...
 

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Now we must joke about how a franchise based around assassins has turned out to be one of the best games about pirates in the last few years.
 

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I'm quite curious how the Multiplayer is, as I ADORE AC:R for it's multiplayer.
 

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I'm quite curious how the Multiplayer is, as I ADORE AC:R for it's multiplayer.
Revelations multiplayer was brilliant, ACIII not so much... but maybe that had something to do with all the 10 year olds running around screaming "I'm an assassin!"

OT Lovely review Greg, can't wait to finish work, get home, and go all pirate!
 

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gigastar said:
Now we must joke about how a franchise based around assassins has turned out to be one of the best games about pirates in the last few years.
I would joke about it if I weren't busy crying because the pirate game is the reason we're not getting more assassin game ):
 

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I would joke about it if I weren't busy crying because the pirate game is the reason we're not getting more assassin game ):
Well, to be honest the AC series really hasn't been about assassinating since Brotherhood (arguably ACII). I've sort of given up being disappointed by that and just embraced the spectacle.

OT: Nice to hear Black Flag seems to be living up to the hype. Will probably pick this up when it comes to PC.
 

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Its weird, I find the multiplayer style of AC series to be one of its best selling points. Its a different take on the simple run and gun deathmatches that are populating the multiplayer aspect of games.
 

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5 stars?
[sarcasm] So it's as good as Dragon Age 2?
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I got this game midnight launch, been up for hours playing it now. Amaaaaaaazing game, can't wait to finish it!
Just a few bugs here and there but otherwise holy crap it's so open world it's ridiculous.
 

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damn, i still have to wait for the pc version. i just hope i will have a chance to to play it because im about to move away and wont have any time to connect my pc to the net.
at least good to hear its good and fun to play.
 

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Deshara said:
gigastar said:
Now we must joke about how a franchise based around assassins has turned out to be one of the best games about pirates in the last few years.
I would joke about it if I weren't busy crying because the pirate game is the reason we're not getting more assassin game ):
Indeed. Its been breaking me heart to see each successive AC game include less and less actually assassinating. After I absolutely hated ACIII, I wasn't even planning on getting this game. Haven't been following it at all. This review is making me reconsider: its not really the next Assassins Creed game, but it might be a pirate game worth playing.
 

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Hm, wasn't expecting this game to be so well reviewed. Sadly I be short on doubloons...ok sorry, I'm a little short on cash right now and I'm saving what I have for some other games right now, so I'll probably get this after a price drop.
 

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If they keep making 'em this good, I don't mind the yearly releases.
 

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Hmm, how is the control scheme? Is it more akin to ACII/Brotherhood/Revelations? I hated the revamped controls for ACIII (stopped me playing it) and I am hoping this game goes back to that.

Might give it a look when I get my PS4, see just how spiffy next gen is supposed to be, I do like the look of it, but ACIII left a bad taste in my mouth, hopefully this can remedy that.
 

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I don't care if it's moving even further away from the formula of the original. As far as I'm concerned, if you're still playing as a dude in a white hood killing Templars, then it's still an Assassin's Creed game; and in all honesty, where is it written that assassins HAVE to be stealthy. The original Hashasin weren't. They killed their targets bloodily, in public and in broad daylight while hopped up on drugs.

The only thing that I'm concerned about is whether this game is better made than its predecessor. AC3 was a damp squib because it was a buggy, unfocussed mess, rushed out of about 7 different Ubisoft studios around the world all trying to communicate working on one game. If this game is bug-free, with less guff and with what guff there is at least being more fun to play, then I'm in.

Oh, and a protagonist (modern or historic) that isn't less likeable than a wet shit would be great too.
 

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I'll be picking this up with my PS4, and I'm now even more excited! I know it seems to be more about pirating than assassinating, but at least there are assassination contracts, which AC3 didn't even have! And I'm pretty sure those have been lacking for a while. I used to air-kill random guards just to say I did some assassinating. Nov 15 can't get here fast enough!
 

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So, sounds like a definite improvement over AC3. Might check it out. I kinda lost interest in the series after vanilla AC2, so this might be a good chance to get back into it...
 

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Awesome! I'm glad it's good. I think I'll pick it up on Steam right n-

What? It's not out on PC yet? Ubisoft delayed the PC version by another month? For no discernible reason?


Snarkiness aside, I always did like Sid Miers Pirates, so I guess that, plus a decent story and combat, is fine by me. I'll probably pick this up eventually.
 

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Goodbye Assassin, Hello Pirate!
might be the first AC game to ever interest me.
This, I did not see coming.

But just look at this pic and say you don't want:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/gallery/view/35/10696/1850.4
 

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I'd actually love to see a commercial for ACIV display "'Pirate this game!' -The Escapist" when it shows review quotes.
 

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I do like the look of this one because pirates. But I couldn't stick with Revelations and skipped 3 so I'm not sure it's worth getting this after missing a chunk of the story.
 

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Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
 

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Mcoffey said:
Awesome! I'm glad it's good. I think I'll pick it up on Steam right n-

What? It's not out on PC yet? Ubisoft delayed the PC version by another month? For no discernible reason?


Snarkiness aside, I always did like Sid Miers Pirates, so I guess that, plus a decent story and combat, is fine by me. I'll probably pick this up eventually.
Well, at least it's coming out on PC. I haven't played AC since the first one, but this one sounds interesting. Might wait until it's on sale, but I do love me some open world sea roaming.
 

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NpPro93 said:
Deshara said:
gigastar said:
Now we must joke about how a franchise based around assassins has turned out to be one of the best games about pirates in the last few years.
I would joke about it if I weren't busy crying because the pirate game is the reason we're not getting more assassin game ):
Indeed. Its been breaking me heart to see each successive AC game include less and less actually assassinating. After I absolutely hated ACIII, I wasn't even planning on getting this game. Haven't been following it at all. This review is making me reconsider: its not really the next Assassins Creed game, but it might be a pirate game worth playing.
Exactly my attitude towards it. For no reason other than because of the brand name attached to it, I have refused to aknowledge this to exist. It'd be like your father-in-law killing your wife and skinning her so he can stuff her younger sister into her skin and see how much you like this one compared to the other one. I just want more of the original please



Able Seacat said:
I do like the look of this one because pirates. But I couldn't stick with Revelations and skipped 3 so I'm not sure it's worth getting this after missing a chunk of the story.
Trust me, they stopped following any form of coherent plot and just started throwing conspiracy theory bullshit into each successive game without really paying attention to how it meshes with the story so far.
I've played every AC thus far and I bloody loved the original (I still get on youtube and look up videos of the dialogues you had with your victims after the stabby), but I frankly couldn't tell you anything about the overarching modern-day plot past the part in that one game where you fist fight the pope in order to find out that the assassins are descendants of an alien precurser species and that the world is gonna end for reasons that they can't really stick to consistantly.
Basically, as far as the developers are concerned, the plot from anything earlier than the previous game doesn't matter at all, and so because they don't care, neither should you
 

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Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
Anyone else on the forum saying "pirate this game" would be hit with punishment by the mods, joking or otherwise.

Seems rather unfair.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book
 

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NpPro93 said:
Deshara said:
gigastar said:
Now we must joke about how a franchise based around assassins has turned out to be one of the best games about pirates in the last few years.
I would joke about it if I weren't busy crying because the pirate game is the reason we're not getting more assassin game ):
Indeed. Its been breaking me heart to see each successive AC game include less and less actually assassinating. After I absolutely hated ACIII, I wasn't even planning on getting this game. Haven't been following it at all. This review is making me reconsider: its not really the next Assassins Creed game, but it might be a pirate game worth playing.
That's more or less my feeling, but they've instilled a bit more confidence on me with all the vids [propaganda] showcasing a return to stealth. While the game isn't anything like AC1, if you ignore the fact that has the AC name on it I can't really see a reason to to dislike the game.

As far as assassinating, I always felt that AC1 actually didn't have a lot of it. I spent most of that game stuck on a horse trying to get into the cities, but even once in there were only 9 real kill targets in the game, no more (probably less) than others. The AC2+s definitely felt the best in that regard, and then 3 went off doing its thing (I liked it, but it didn't hold me as well). Ubisoft has a tendency to overcompensate and then pull back some, so after 3 I am actually inclined to believe their claims for Black Flag.
 

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Greg Tito said:
hazabaza1 said:
Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book
Going by that article it seems like the author gave the book that name because it was an anti-consumerist product encouraging people to actually steal the book rather than it just being a nice sounding name. It also seems to go against basically any other law concerning theft and drug use, which I'm sure isn't what you're going for.

Also that's a low content post Greg, thought you'd know better :p
 

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By thunder, I be just in the process o' swingin' into a pirate-y mood recently. I'll be makin' sure to be pickin' this here title up on me next voyage into port.


...yeah I don't think I'd make a good pirate anyway. But, cool that the game doesn't suck!
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Greg Tito said:
hazabaza1 said:
Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book
Going by that article it seems like the author gave the book that name because it was an anti-consumerist product encouraging people to actually steal the book rather than it just being a nice sounding name. It also seems to go against basically any other law concerning theft and drug use, which I'm sure isn't what you're going for.

Also that's a low content post Greg, thought you'd know better :p
How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Album!

They used the title on this one as a bit of a flip-off to the people who leaked the original unfinished version of the album.

I also don't think the header for the review was a good idea, but it's not a big deal, as the review does not actually advocate stealing the game.
 

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So is it worth buying on PS3/360, or should we wait for the next-gen consoles?

No matter how bad Black Flags story can get, I highly doubt they can be as bad as that one bullshit optional objective in ACIII.
 

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IIInnnnnnnnteresting to say the least. I had not been interested in this newest installment after losing interest in #3 a few hours in. The pirating looks amazing though.

Question, does this game still have the awful immersion-breaking 'current-time' parts all the previous games had? I just loathe the Animus, why can't I just enjoy the well-crafted current setting?!

Overall, I really hope they made the navel battles possible through multiplayer, and definitely looks like a game I might pick up after x-mas.
 

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Well you got me, i never liked the AC games, haven't played a single one. But it seems this is more of a great pirate game in ac3 clothes and my god i've been waiting for a good pirate game. So yea im grabbing this one fo sho
 

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Hmmm, wasn't thinking of picking this up seeing how bad ACIII was, but now im intersted. maybe if it goes on sale I'll pick it up.

Only thing that really concerns me from the review was that "Combat is the same as the others". So stealth isn't as important again? sounds like you can counter-spam everyone and not worry about stealth, or is there enemy units that you WANT to hide from, that would be a step in the right direction.
 

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Never been interested in the AC series, but Sid Meier's Pirates updated and in 3d with real fighting instead of what's basically a QTE dueling system?

Yeah, I'm probably going to have to pick this up if/when it comes to PC.
 

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BloodRed Pixel said:
Goodbye Assassin, Hello Pirate!
might be the first AC game to ever interest me.
This, I did not see coming.

But just look at this pic and say you don't want:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/gallery/view/35/10696/1850.4
Meh, I'd prefer if the sharks had lasers attached to their foreheads.

OT: Looks good, might pick it up at Christmas. When it's on sale on Steam. Cos I'm cheap.
 

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Question. [small]Already answered down below.[/small]

I haven't been interested in the series thus far (as in, I've never played a single AC game, ever), but AC IV does look quite interesting indeed. Do I need to keep up with previous' games events to understand what's going on?, I ask, because I've heard the story got a little convoluted and I fear for being left in the dark if I ever want to play this one.
 

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SupahGamuh said:
Question.

I haven't been interested in the series thus far (as in, I've never played a single AC game, ever), but AC IV does look quite interesting indeed. Do I need to keep up with previous' games events to understand what's going on?, I ask, because I've heard the story got a little convoluted and I fear for being left in the dark if I ever want to play this one.
Basically you use technology to relive the lives of assassins in the past. Anything else is so many peanuts they'll provide with exposition, lots of exposition. But all you need to know for this game is 'You are a pirate!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMJpHihykI
 

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I had fallen out with the AC story because the meta-plot was getting cumbersome, imo. Knowing that Desmond Miles has been ditched has done more to sell me on this than any number of swearing pirates.
 

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I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
To each his own I guess.

Is this game worth playing even if didn't play the other games of the series?
 

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I would have thought a valid con would be how unfitting the name is.

Assassin's Creed. I wouldn't say being a pirate is being an assassin.
The only thing it has to do with Assassination is the storyline from the previous games and your character being exceptional at melee combat.

It's like setting an Assassin's Creed game in the context of a third person shooter.
 

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MXRom said:
SupahGamuh said:
Question.

I haven't been interested in the series thus far (as in, I've never played a single AC game, ever), but AC IV does look quite interesting indeed. Do I need to keep up with previous' games events to understand what's going on?, I ask, because I've heard the story got a little convoluted and I fear for being left in the dark if I ever want to play this one.
Basically you use technology to relive the lives of assassins in the past. Anything else is so many peanuts they'll provide with exposition, lots of exposition. But all you need to know for this game is 'You are a pirate!'

[small]Fixed for ya.[/small]

LOL, I didn't knew the origin of that song! xD

Thanks for the info!.
 
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Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.

OT:
GOD DAMMIT, I DON'T NEED MORE OF A BACKLOG.

I have so many games I need to play, but I have such a weak spot for pirate games.

Also I want to hunt whales because it makes me happy that somewhere in the world, I'm making a PETA employee cry.
 

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I must admit it took me a while to get into AC3 and at times I found it a frustrating game. But I received AC4:BF today and although I have only been playing it a couple of hours, I love it already (the sunny Caribbean helps). And Edward - I'm really liking him! You wouldn't think him and Connor were related.
 

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Okay cool the game nailed the feel of being a pirate, but one thing I didn't really see mentioned in either reviews was the assassin aspect. How is the stealth and assassinating handled this time? Better than 3? or is it just as this review implies insignificant and mostly absent?
 

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Well I might just have to give the AC series another go at some point. I lost interest half way through Revelations and ACIII did nothing to really hook me back in. I shall check Black Flag out when the winds of the steam sales are favorable :p
 

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~ Gonna wait for the inevitable winter sale price drop ~

~ Been waiting for a worthy pirate successor to Sid Meiers, this looks like a contender ~

~ Also haven't played an Assassin's Creed since 2, so the gameplay will be fresh ~
 

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So you... do what you want 'cause a pirate is free?...
Sorry I just couldn't resist.

OT: This one's definitely getting picked up, but I already knew I was going to, as I've been buying the Assassin's Creed games every year at release, AC3 was such a disappointment to me that I almost gave up on the franchise, but if 4 truly is the leaps and bounds of improvement it's being built up as, then this series might have hope yet!
 

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Chairman Miaow said:
Does anybody know if Uplay is needed?
It's one of the key Ubisoft's franchises. It's most certainly going to need Uplay.
Well they just lost at least one sale. This DRM easily loses more sales than it saves.
 

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Greg Tito said:
hazabaza1 said:
Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book

For that link alone I think I love you Greg Tito.

But I'm not in love with you.

(however I did flag your post for low content :) )

OT: A good open world pirate game? Sign me up. I'm thinking it might be my first purchase for my PS4 come Christmas...
 

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Wait, a good Assassin's Creed game? As if in, one that's good all the way through instead of balancing good stuff and not-so-good stuff? And it's all about pirates? As if in, goes out of the way to be the best pirate game possible? With Assassin's Creed gameplay?

Sold, I am.
 

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I have to say, this game is fantastic, and beautiful, even on the 360.

Just got the Jackdaw and i'm loving it, ii doubt i'll be fast travelling much
 

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So what are people's opinions on the new protagonist? Is he as terrible as Connor or have they actually made a slightly likable character this time?
 

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Greg Tito said:
hazabaza1 said:
Is that really the headline you're going for? Knowing the place's reputation for anti-piracy, you're going with that?

Well alright then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book
I'm really tempted to flag this as low content post
I think that would be kinda funny
But on the other hand people often say that I have strange sense of humor :/
 

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Might be kinda off topic, but has anyone played the bonus hour content on the PS3 version? I'm curious about what it is, and any thoughts on it. I didn't see it covered in the review.
 

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Wait, you weren't at all put off by the fact that you have to play a sociopathic killer?
I feel like you should have spent most of the review talking about that, not all of this gameplay and story nonsense. I feel like maybe you should have misrepresented sections of the game by taking certain things out of context. You don't even mention how disrespectful this game is to women.

I loved your GTA 5 review but I feel like you went soft with your review of this horrid murder simulator.

EDIT: One more thing, I'm sorry but I have to take issue with your score. 5 stars? So this game is perfect? Look it's good but it's not Dragon Age 2 good.
 

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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
 

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so while watching this entire review, all I could think of was "Holy fuck it sounds like Sid Meier's Pirates with better graphics and gameplay" then at the very end he said just that, made me chuckle, good review Greg
 
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Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Draconian
1.
(of laws or their application) excessively harsh and severe.

Seems appropriate for the discussion. Maybe I overstated when I said "incredibly," but it's an accurate term.
 

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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Draconian
1.
(of laws or their application) excessively harsh and severe.

Seems appropriate for the discussion. Maybe I overstated when I said "incredibly," but it's an accurate term.
And what laws are harshly carried out on these forums when people talk about piracy?
 
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Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Draconian
1.
(of laws or their application) excessively harsh and severe.

Seems appropriate for the discussion. Maybe I overstated when I said "incredibly," but it's an accurate term.
And what laws are harshly carried out on these forums when people talk about piracy?
People have received temporary bans and probation for relatively minor offenses.

I'm really not seeing the problem here. Unless you're taking the "law" part as a literal term that cannot apply to rules.
 

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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Carpenter said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
Story said:
I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Draconian
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(of laws or their application) excessively harsh and severe.

Seems appropriate for the discussion. Maybe I overstated when I said "incredibly," but it's an accurate term.
And what laws are harshly carried out on these forums when people talk about piracy?
People have received temporary bans and probation for relatively minor offenses.

I'm really not seeing the problem here. Unless you're taking the "law" part as a literal term that cannot apply to rules.
I'll be honest, my impression was that you were calling the social reaction (users reaction) to mention of piracy "draconian" so really I just misinterpreted what you said. My response was just me trying to somehow make my quote work.

I agree, the Escapist is very strange when it comes to the bans and probations. I have been threatened and put on probation several times because I disagreed with the "escapist staff" on several issues, respectfully I might add.

I also got suspended for mentioning my comment being removed for no understandable reason other than it annoying some random mod. Escapist seems to take a strong stance against people talking about moderation action but I've always been bothered by that policy on forums because it serves absolutely no purpose other than covering up unfair or harassing mod or admin action.

Fact is, as I said before, it's their shop and they are allowed to kick out whoever they want. They have a right to one day decide to ban anyone that's not white and christian if they feel the need because this is their place, but that doesn't mean it would be a smart thing to do and it certainly doesn't create a platform for open discussion and interesting conversation.
 

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the thing I loved most about the AC3 naval missions was that there was enough nuance that even I, as someone who sails real boats on a semiregular basis, could enjoy and get immersed. Good mechanic, glad they ran with it. Will probably buy at steam winter sale.
 
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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
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I know that headline was an easy joke, but I personally don't see it appropriate for The Escapist.
I agree here. The tend to be incredibly draconian when people so much as mention piracy in forums.
Draconian?
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Draconian
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(of laws or their application) excessively harsh and severe.

Seems appropriate for the discussion. Maybe I overstated when I said "incredibly," but it's an accurate term.
And what laws are harshly carried out on these forums when people talk about piracy?
People have received temporary bans and probation for relatively minor offenses.

I'm really not seeing the problem here. Unless you're taking the "law" part as a literal term that cannot apply to rules.
I'll be honest, my impression was that you were calling the social reaction (users reaction) to mention of piracy "draconian" so really I just misinterpreted what you said. My response was just me trying to somehow make my quote work.

I agree, the Escapist is very strange when it comes to the bans and probations. I have been threatened and put on probation several times because I disagreed with the "escapist staff" on several issues, respectfully I might add.

I also got suspended for mentioning my comment being removed for no understandable reason other than it annoying some random mod. Escapist seems to take a strong stance against people talking about moderation action but I've always been bothered by that policy on forums because it serves absolutely no purpose other than covering up unfair or harassing mod or admin action.

Fact is, as I said before, it's their shop and they are allowed to kick out whoever they want. They have a right to one day decide to ban anyone that's not white and christian if they feel the need because this is their place, but that doesn't mean it would be a smart thing to do and it certainly doesn't create a platform for open discussion and interesting conversation.
Ah, I see the misunderstanding. I made no mention of the moderation, so I can see it.

And for the second part, I agree with your position completely. They can do exactly what they want and while for the most part they've been very good about it, sometimes letting things go would be better for discussion.

But we're getting badly off topic now. That's something that I can understand wanting to keep to a minimum.
 

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So what are people's opinions on the new protagonist? Is he as terrible as Connor or have they actually made a slightly likable character this time?
Still quite early in the game, but he's currently "A New Hope" Han Solo, before he see's the light.
(All about the money!)

Have to fix me ma's laptop tonight before I can get home and play some more.... does anyone know if slapping a band aid on a laptop counts as fixing?!
 

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5 out of 5 when ubisoft keeps a flawed combat system in a game series supposedly about assassination? If all reviewers have this kind of attitude on triple A games, perfect scores should mean perfect games, nothing will change and this part of the industry will keep stagnating.
 

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5 out of 5 when ubisoft keeps a flawed combat system in a game series supposedly about assassination? If all reviewers have this kind of attitude on triple A games, perfect scores should mean perfect games, nothing will change and this part of the industry will keep stagnating.
It's been said over and over again that when the Escapist uses a five out of five score it doesn't mean perfection. It says that the enjoyment you get from the game will be exceptional.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/7149-What-Our-Review-Scores-Mean

And five out of five ratings shouldn't be used for perfect games. If they were, they wouldn't be used ever. Perfect games? They don't exist.
 

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Not sure about this game to be honest.Wasn't too impressed with AC3....

*reads review*

While Black Flag feels very much like an Assassin's Creed game, its gameplay reminds me more of Sid Meier's Pirates! wrought in glorious 3D.
 

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God, am I the only one who wishes they had kept that stupid Animus out of the game entirely? To me, there's nothing wrong with making a game about specific periods in time, threaded together in an historical sense, pirates assassins through time, etc. I have issues with games like these, games in which one thing about the story just stands out as stupid or ridiculous. It happened with Infamous, the scene with

your "girlfriend" hanging above certain death on one building and eight strangers hanging from a different building. Choose to save your girlfriend and the eight strangers die, choose the strangers and your girl dies. Turns out that no matter which choice you made, your girlfriend dies; it's a lose/lose situation. And the bad guy of the story tells you it's selfish to want to save someone you love versus saving more people, in addition to you receiving some 'evil' points or whatever that stupid karma system was. Fuck that shit. There's nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. Saving the people you love is not evil. That plot point in Infamous could have been written by a junior high student thinking they were being "deep".

The Animus of Assassin's Creed feels much the same. It feels so unnecessary, and kept me from finishing the first AC believe it or not, and effectively turned me off of the rest in the series.
 

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God, am I the only one who wishes they had kept that stupid Animus out of the game entirely? To me, there's nothing wrong with making a game about specific periods in time, threaded together in an historical sense, pirates assassins through time, etc. I have issues with games like these, games in which one thing about the story just stands out as stupid or ridiculous. It happened with Infamous, the scene with

your "girlfriend" hanging above certain death on one building and eight strangers hanging from a different building. Choose to save your girlfriend and the eight strangers die, choose the strangers and your girl dies. Turns out that no matter which choice you made, your girlfriend dies; it's a lose/lose situation. And the bad guy of the story tells you it's selfish to want to save someone you love versus saving more people, in addition to you receiving some 'evil' points or whatever that stupid karma system was. Fuck that shit. There's nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. Saving the people you love is not evil. That plot point in Infamous could have been written by a junior high student thinking they were being "deep".

The Animus of Assassin's Creed feels much the same. It feels so unnecessary, and kept me from finishing the first AC believe it or not, and effectively turned me off of the rest in the series.
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
 

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FizzyIzze said:
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
Holy crap. Please tell me you're not being serious. I mean, I know you're generalizing but is that really the gist of the ending?
 

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FizzyIzze said:
anonymity88 said:
FizzyIzze said:
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
Holy crap. Please tell me you're not being serious. I mean, I know you're generalizing but is that really the gist of the ending?
Yeah, he's not joking. And then the end of Assassin's Creed III
is a completely out-of-character moment from Desmond that results in him willingly releasing the pseudo-alien-god who holds all of the ideals the Templars championed (you know, the guys you just spent five games fighting the entire time) and effectively bringing about the end of the world. Or something. It kinda just ends with the world undergoing the whole "2012" disaster thing.

OT: I'm interested in ACIV just for the piratey bits. Sailing was easily one of the most fun parts from ACIII, and I couldn't give less of a toss about the plot at this point any longer, but it's been looking like a damn fine pirate game and we haven't had one of those in years.
 

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So is it worth buying on PS3/360, or should we wait for the next-gen consoles?

No matter how bad Black Flags story can get, I highly doubt they can be as bad as that one bullshit optional objective in ACIII.
Which one? Charging down Bunker Hill (or was it Breed's?) trying not to get shot? Or chasing down General Washington's would-be killer and kill him before he gets his bodyguards? Quite a few of those optional objectives were nuts, especially on the Naval Missions.
 

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kailus13 said:
So is it worth buying on PS3/360, or should we wait for the next-gen consoles?

No matter how bad Black Flags story can get, I highly doubt they can be as bad as that one bullshit optional objective in ACIII.
Which one? Charging down Bunker Hill (or was it Breed's?) trying not to get shot? Or chasing down General Washington's would-be killer and kill him before he gets his bodyguards? Quite a few of those optional objectives were nuts, especially on the Naval Missions.
The bodyguard one. At least with the Bunker Hill one I knew what to do, even if the timing was a bit difficult. With the bodyguard one, I had to look up how to do it, and even then it took me about 20 times.

As for the naval missions, the one I found most difficult was sinking a fleet within two minutes in a fairly early mission. A later mission then told me how to switch betweeen shots. I felt kinda foolish at that point. I'd done it with the standard shot. Oops.
 

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Oh wow. I wasn't expecting 5 stars on this game from the Escapist. It must be a great buy then. I must admit, AC3 was a massive disappointment, the worst of the series to me. Connor was a bit obnoxious, the story dragged and didn't really rope me in, the only redeeming quality was the naval missions.

My only reservation is that I'll be getting it on the PC, and thus will have to through U-Play. *Shudders*.
 

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The generalisation doesn't really do it justice, though.

Basically, in the AC world, humans as a species were uplifted from our common-ancestor-with-ape species for the purpose of being a docile, controlable workforce for this ultra-advanced race of humanoid-like people simply called "the ones that came before" (OTCB's). They had names like Minerva, Juno, Jupiter, Apollo, etc implying that all of Man's religions were based on one of more of these figures (in AC3, the derelict OTCB base that the present day characters (Desmond Miles, etc) were in had a flatbread bread-producing functionality, similar to that of Manna found in the old testament. Sean Hastings, one of the modern Assassins theorised that the remaining OCTB's used this machine to help the Israeli nation through the wilderness after their escape from Egypt).

Eventually, the humans rebelled because of some sort of genetic mutation allowing certain humans to break free from the mind control technology (pieces of eden) of the OTCB's, and thus incite a rebellion (care to guess the names of the two main ring-leaders of the rebellion? Clue, it's one man and one woman), and eventually a full scale war. As luck would have it, Desmond Miles and his lineage have this genetic mutation in them, making them impervious to the pieces of eden. As the war raged on, the OTCB's were majoritatively wiped out when the sun sent a huge solar flare towards earth, [a href="http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/Knowing__End_of_the_World_Better_Quality__115351.jpg?v=1371671949"]scorching the entire planet[/a]. About 10,000 humans remained, and only a couple OCTB's, whom eventually died out in physical form, but who's minds remain in some of their remaining technology scattered throughout Earth. Humanity eventually recovered and history happened.

The order of Assassins (who are for freedom of thought and mind at the potential cost of order/peace) was formed to fight the Templars (who are for order and control at the expense of freedom). The fight revolves around the remaining pieces of eden, with the Templars hoping to use them to instigate world wide mind control over the people of Earth for the sake of order. The Assassins are trying to stop them, to preserve freedom.

However, the sun is getting ready to release another solar flare, threatening to wipe out life on Earth once again. And so the modern Assassins (Desmond Miles and crew) are desperately trying to find the machine that the OCTB's created to protect Earth from the solar flare (but didn't activate due to internal conflicts between Minerva and Juno). At the end of AC3, they finally manage to activate the machine, saving Earth (and killing Desmond, thankfully, he was obnoxious). But this activation also "released" Juno, one of the OCTB's who is kind of evil. With her incarceration ended, she intends to "conquer" earth and get things back to how they used to be (with humanity as a servile species).


The bit anonymity88 was referring to was the end of AC2, when Ezio Auditore, arguably the best Assassin character to date, finds a secret OTCB base underneath the Vatican (yes, really), but needs to defeat the current Pope in order to enter into it. The Pope was a Templar that had in his posession a piece of eden that physically empowered him somewhat. The fight descended to bare hands, where Ezio eventually defeated the Templar Pope, and used the piece of eden to access the OTCB base. There, it was either Juno or Minerva that delivered a message through Ezio to Desmond (since the OTCB's predicted the invention of the Animus, and so used Desmond's ancestors as vectors of messages to him through time).

Suspension of disbelief is a massive must for the series, but it's definitely engrossing.
 

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Yeah, he's not joking. And then the end of Assassin's Creed III
is a completely out-of-character moment from Desmond that results in him willingly releasing the pseudo-alien-god who holds all of the ideals the Templars championed (you know, the guys you just spent five games fighting the entire time) and effectively bringing about the end of the world. Or something. It kinda just ends with the world undergoing the whole "2012" disaster thing.
"Out of character", are you serious? The Assassin's fight for freedom for all, and by [spoilers] releasing Juno he gives the human race the chance of keeping that ideology. Had he allowed the world to be started anew his teachings would eventually be perverted. He was dealt the choice of a shit sandwich with the hope of the shit being chocolate, and a gleaming red apple that unfortunately holds a highly diseased worm inside, and he chose the outcome that would allow all people to keep their own personal beliefs and strive for freedom, as is the Assassin's intent.[/spoiler]

There were some major flaws in AC III, but that was not one of them (Well, the ending was pretty dissapointing, but he wasn't acting out of character).
 

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Snip

There were some major flaws in AC III, but that was not one of them (Well, the ending was pretty dissapointing, but he wasn't acting out of character).
1. Your spoiler is borked (it's not [spoilers]).

2.
Juno enslaves the human race. Or at least, that's what is implied as being the price to pay for her 'saving' humanity. Desmond knows this is what Juno is going to do if he releases her, and does it anyway. Out of character may not necessarily be the best way to put it, but it does at least directly go against the entire philosophy the player has been effectively fighting for across the five games leading up to that ending. Sure, it can just be turned into yet another cliffhanger for them to pick up later as some 'poignant' metaphor about how humans are always striving for more, but it was supposed to be the end of Desmond's arc, and it all culminating in his making the human race basically need to start fighting an even greater power than the Templar's for freedom is monumentally stupid.

The ending would've been stupid either way, but "allowing the chance to continue the ideology of constantly fighting an endless losing fight for freedom" isn't the choice I would've made in that situation, for better or worse.
 

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1. Your spoiler is borked (it's not [spoilers]).

2.
Juno enslaves the human race. Or at least, that's what is implied as being the price to pay for her 'saving' humanity. Desmond knows this is what Juno is going to do if he releases her, and does it anyway. Out of character may not necessarily be the best way to put it, but it does at least directly go against the entire philosophy the player has been effectively fighting for across the five games leading up to that ending. Sure, it can just be turned into yet another cliffhanger for them to pick up later as some 'poignant' metaphor about how humans are always striving for more, but it was supposed to be the end of Desmond's arc, and it all culminating in his making the human race basically need to start fighting an even greater power than the Templar's for freedom is monumentally stupid.

The ending would've been stupid either way, but "allowing the chance to continue the ideology of constantly fighting an endless losing fight for freedom" isn't the choice I would've made in that situation, for better or worse.
Spoiler borked...oops.

Anyways, (I'll try spoilers again)
Juno will attempt to enslave the human race, but there are people in the world whom are able to withstand the effects of the First Civilization's technology. Also, most of their technology has been scattered, missing or plain old destroyed, so she first has to find the technology before she can begin her enslavement. However, even if she finds a piece of eden such as the apples she would still be unable to globally enslave the entire planet as the apple is not powerful enough. So, we're given the choice of giving humanity a chance to fight a powerful being whom has come back into the world unequipped with her enslavement technology.

As for why the other choice is worse, remember the statement, "We work in the dark, to serve the light"? Because that is basically the major thing about the Assassin's, even Achilles told Connor the assassin's work quietly. If Desmond had let the world be wiped clean, and then go on to teach EVERY survivor the Assassin ways, the Assassin's would become the Templars. The whole point of the Assassin's is that it's a group that has members that aren't members, it's an idea that all can posses and that all can follow without having to be taught the creed.

I agree, both endings are poor, but the choice does not go against the story that we've been following. Also, Black Flag addresses what happens with Juno quite well so have a look at it, be it borrowed or new it's definitely worth a play.
 

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So Escapist is now censoring posts that don't even make the claim but simply imply that they may be taking money for better reviews.

Look I don't believe it, I was there for the "duke nukem" themed site, but when the site tries to shut people up for simply implying it, you give credence to the claims.

If escapist staff is so offended by these claims, either dispute them or learn to get a thicker skin if you choose to read the forums, don't just shut everyone up that makes a claim you disagree with.
 

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FizzyIzze said:
anonymity88 said:
FizzyIzze said:
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
Holy crap. Please tell me you're not being serious. I mean, I know you're generalizing but is that really the gist of the ending?
Are you kidding? That just sold me on AC2.
 

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Carpenter said:
FizzyIzze said:
anonymity88 said:
FizzyIzze said:
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
Holy crap. Please tell me you're not being serious. I mean, I know you're generalizing but is that really the gist of the ending?
Are you kidding? That just sold me on AC2.
Something tells me you're a fan of Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy :p
 

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FizzyIzze said:
Carpenter said:
FizzyIzze said:
anonymity88 said:
FizzyIzze said:
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
Holy crap. Please tell me you're not being serious. I mean, I know you're generalizing but is that really the gist of the ending?
Are you kidding? That just sold me on AC2.
Something tells me you're a fan of Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy :p
Then that something is a liar.
I was a fan of it's opening, wasn't a fan of everything else.

But cmon, really? Are we at the point where making a story a bit fantastic or out there is a bad thing? It's not like the first AC was grounded in reality, it was grounded in conspiracy theory and "aliens" is not totally out of left field but honestly where I thought AC was going. Punching the pope is just icing.

Personally, I don't think the "fantastic elements" is what ruined indigo prophecy, it's the fact that we were lied to at every turn. Your choices did not affect the story in any big way, it just changed some lines of dialog.


This trend thing is so strange. People complain about games like GTA 4 and MW being "too realistic" (they are hardly realistic but that's another conversation) yet those same people seem to hate when a game introduces some out there story concepts in a way that connects it to a reality similar to ours.

I have to think a person that believes we are the only life in the universe is a bit closed minded, I also think there's plenty of valid evidence to support the theory that our species was affected by otherworldly or unseen forces, so I like when video games or movies explore those concepts in interesting ways.

To me, that's way more fun and interesting than just making every single game involving aliens a silly nonsensefest like saints row 4 or something that takes place in some star wars/star trek ripoff universe like Mass Effect. I love when a video games plays with the ideas of perception (suda 51 games are great at that when you realize that every game has you seeing the world the way the main character sees the world) or some less than popular philosophical ideas.

Take the original Deus ex (not the suspiciously cleaned up reboot) as an example. The thing that took it to that cult status was the fact that it was brutally honest and hard edged. I understand not agreeing with the views it presents but you can't deny that whoever crafted that story had a passion for what they were doing. They had nothing to gain by putting in information about real life power groups but the people involved clearly felt that they needed to share this worldview through the game.

That's what I want in movies, games, books, and music. Passion. I'm sick of entertainment for the sake of entertainment. It's like the difference between Johnny Cash and Elvis. Hey people love Elvis and I'm fine with that but I just can't conceive of why anybody would sit there and listen to some fat druggy singing a basic love story or "party" story that you have heard a million times before, I want art that presents a worldview I may disagree with or may not have considered before.

That's why MGS 2 was my favorite metal gear game (although I loved and completely consumed the others too) because before then I had never heard of or even considered the idea of some hidden control system. I was a kid that had never heard conspiracy theories or the singularity theory. It completely changed the way I saw the world and got me to consider the idea that everything I saw on tv, heard on the radio, or experienced in games might be there to influence my behavior or thoughts in some way.

That was just one game, and not even the favorite of the series for most people. I think that says something about the capability of gaming, and so much of that potential is wasted on "shoot terrorists" or "stab history people" and the saddest part is that whenever a company strays from those "safe places" it's the audience that scares them back in line. In a way, the masses are the patriots, we are the control system keeping new ideas out of society and keeping artists in line, not some men in suits in a bunker or some computer program that went self aware.


EDIT: I also need to say that MGS2 also got me to consider the idea that the world around me is, in a sense, illusion. I was a kid, I had never really thought about senses and the way our brains craft reality, but seeing it presented in that game really forced me to consider the real life implications of it.
I think anytime a person is made to be self aware and think about their own flaws of perception is a good thing.
 

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You know, pirates are also pretty despicable people. I'm surprised this got a 5/5.

(Yeah, cheap shots!)
Hardiharhar yo ho ho and a bottle of rum for that one.. off the plank with ya you scurvy yellow belly. This be a freemans world. Now dig me a whole for me digital plunder. And no Xes mark the spot you hear! we'll have none of that cliche piratin'.
 

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M920CAIN said:
SacremPyrobolum said:
You know, pirates are also pretty despicable people. I'm surprised this got a 5/5.

(Yeah, cheap shots!)
Hardiharhar yo ho ho and a bottle of rum for that one.. off the plank with ya you scurvy yellow belly. This be a freemans world. Now dig me a whole for me digital plunder. And no Xes mark the spot you hear! we'll have none of that cliche piratin'.
That shouldn't have made me giggle as much as it did. It's a shame the in game "cheat" that makes the main character talk only in pirate cliches stops you from saving. I realise they're trying to tell a serious story, but it just makes me chuckle any time he says anything. I imagine the guy responsible for coding it in was under orders to put it in, but was resentful of that fact, and thus didn't let you save it.

I do like the fact that the in game money is Reeals(R) though, because saying I've got 12000 Arghhs! never stops being entertaining. And it's a slight easier on the vocals than the Ackhahcks from Revelations.

On topic: My only real complaint with the game thus far is they made countering even easier. Yes that's right, even easier. Now enemies still only attack you one at a time, very slowly, but they also have a huge glowing red mark over their head when they attack. That shit's justifiable in fast paced games like Batman or Metal Gear rising, where you're fighting a shit ton of enemies that dogpile you and can have lots of enemies attacking at once, but not in a slow paced combat game like AC.

I mean /that/ has always been the main complaint with the combat system, it's too easy, and countering is overpowered bullshit, why on earth would they make it easier?
 

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And here I thought the game was a tedious exercise in pointlessness, repetitive grind through copy pasted islands. Even though the combat is brain numbingly easy (for lack of a better word, easy suggests that it is possible to fail), as is admitted by this Tito character, the game is nonetheless perfect?

Oh look, another ass creed pop up, one minute while I close that.. And, no, didn't want to click it, that close box is awfully small.. Ok got it.

Now where was I? Oh yes, this game is fucking boring.
 

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FizzyIzze said:
God, am I the only one who wishes they had kept that stupid Animus out of the game entirely? To me, there's nothing wrong with making a game about specific periods in time, threaded together in an historical sense, pirates assassins through time, etc. I have issues with games like these, games in which one thing about the story just stands out as stupid or ridiculous. It happened with Infamous, the scene with

your "girlfriend" hanging above certain death on one building and eight strangers hanging from a different building. Choose to save your girlfriend and the eight strangers die, choose the strangers and your girl dies. Turns out that no matter which choice you made, your girlfriend dies; it's a lose/lose situation. And the bad guy of the story tells you it's selfish to want to save someone you love versus saving more people, in addition to you receiving some 'evil' points or whatever that stupid karma system was. Fuck that shit. There's nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. Saving the people you love is not evil. That plot point in Infamous could have been written by a junior high student thinking they were being "deep".

The Animus of Assassin's Creed feels much the same. It feels so unnecessary, and kept me from finishing the first AC believe it or not, and effectively turned me off of the rest in the series.
wow you nailed it, that kind of plot point belongs in mrs. Calnedar's 6th grade creative writing portion. It's sad that game developers are particularly bad at admitting their shortcomings, if they were more humble then they would spend some of that ass creed/ cod/ money to hire some competent writers, but as thing are going right now, we have a generation of kids playing utter drivel thinking that they are deep and interesting as they are. And they will he the ones making infamous 8 and ass 17 and cod 40 googleplex. Watchdogs 4: the watchdogging
 

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anonymity88 said:
FizzyIzze said:
God, am I the only one who wishes they had kept that stupid Animus out of the game entirely? To me, there's nothing wrong with making a game about specific periods in time, threaded together in an historical sense, pirates assassins through time, etc. I have issues with games like these, games in which one thing about the story just stands out as stupid or ridiculous. It happened with Infamous, the scene with

your "girlfriend" hanging above certain death on one building and eight strangers hanging from a different building. Choose to save your girlfriend and the eight strangers die, choose the strangers and your girl dies. Turns out that no matter which choice you made, your girlfriend dies; it's a lose/lose situation. And the bad guy of the story tells you it's selfish to want to save someone you love versus saving more people, in addition to you receiving some 'evil' points or whatever that stupid karma system was. Fuck that shit. There's nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. Saving the people you love is not evil. That plot point in Infamous could have been written by a junior high student thinking they were being "deep".

The Animus of Assassin's Creed feels much the same. It feels so unnecessary, and kept me from finishing the first AC believe it or not, and effectively turned me off of the rest in the series.
The end of ACII was my nope moment, about the time they were saying that essentially Aliens did it, and then I had a fist fight with the pope. Ugh.
wow that sounds legendarily bad. Aliens. The pope. Are you sure you're not talking about taint row the 4th?

Oh hey thanks escapist, for forcing me to type corporate propaganda to male sure I'm a human being. How does that even make sense? This is what selling out is. Enjoy your husk of an existence.
 

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I haven't played the SID-s pirates but pillage and plundering on the high seas in this game is really fun