Association of Flight Attendants calls for all those involved in yesterdays events of breaching the Capital Building to be banned from flying

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Fun lesson to remember from the 90’s, while the crackdown on domestic terrorism was spurred by Waco and McVeigh (y’know, the child murderering fascists), the primary targets were “eco-terrorists” (y’know, the people mad that we were killing ourselves via fossil fuel pollution and deforestation who mostly committed corporate espionage and tied themselves to things). This will not work out how you expect it to.
 

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Why is it hypocrisy?
To use violence in your fight against violence is hypocritical. It's like saying "war of peace" like Bush did. If you wanna be against violence, it is incumbent on YOU to find a different path forward for your goals. You don't get to just call off violence once you've violenced your way to your goal, because once you have done that, the people you out-violenced will in turn be the ones who will be seeking for an end to violence through violence, against you, and the cycle will keep going and going, so you in effect will not have been anti-violence, you would have just purported to do so.


If you wanna go down this path, just drop the niceties and wear the mantle of righteous violence proudly like the crusaders did.


I'll shift you on this. There are plenty of videos of Protesters who stay in front of people trying to loot saying that all they are doing is harming the cause.

You remember that scene in Ocean's Eleven when they used the Pinch to knock out the electrical systems of the casino? And in the Bedlam of twenty seconds of the power going out, the entire casino erupts in free stealing anarchy? Yeah, it's kind of like that. People protest an idea, unscrupulous figure use it as a smoke screen to loot. That doesn't mean the protest themselves are the cause of looting. They are just an unfortunate backdrop. It's like if the love story of Titanic was real, and the main purpose of the ship going down was to make the story that more heart wrenching.

Wow. I'm doing a lot of movie References today...

Then we get to the rioters. The people who are more angry than anything else. Who were hurt, and must see others hurt as some sort necessary karma to right the universe. This, sadly, is more a part of any protest. Anger over a situation can't always be contained for every person. Should these people self regulate and avoid situations they can't control? Sure. But if it was that easy, we wouldn't have support groups for... well, anything.

But again, I don't think every rioter believes they are rioting for the right thing. I think some do. I think some just want to inflict pain because they are angry. It's hard to differentiate the two, but it's necessary to realize that all protests are not riots, just because we don't fully go along with the concept that has been broached.

I think you're jumping 4 steps ahead to counter something you think I believe and are tripping yourself up in the process here lol. What I'm saying is what those protesters you describe protecting the businesses would say, and I do not think all protests are riots. What I said is specifically targeted at those bad actors who are opportunistically claiming to stand for something when in fact they're just looking to benefit personally out of the chaos.


And I'm sorry but I think it's dishonest to liken raiding the capitol because you think you've been disenfranchised while wearing a buffalo hat and viking war paint to breaking down some dude's bar because he's not sufficiently subservient to your posturing demands. People aren't gonna steal TVs and sneakers out of the capitol, I saw a guy carrying a podium as a trophy but that guy is likely not gonna sell it if he even made off with it. Some guy was sitting on Pelosi's office chair taking a photo with his feet on her desk. See, THAT is actual righteous anger because they're at least aiming it to who they (very mistakenly) believe actually harmed them. I assure you, your neighborhood gaming bar did NOT cause racist policing, and making of with all of their ps4s in your arms is not gonna fix the issue nor will it stand as a message against power, it'll just line your thieving pockets.
 

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To use violence in your fight against violence is hypocritical. It's like saying "war of peace" like Bush did. If you wanna be against violence, it is incumbent on YOU to find a different path forward for your goals. You don't get to just call off violence once you've violenced your way to your goal, because once you have done that, the people you out-violenced will in turn be the ones who will be seeking for an end to violence through violence, against you, and the cycle will keep going and going, so you in effect will not have been anti-violence, you would have just purported to do so.
I don't think they are seeking an end to violence, as much as an end to violence used as an expression of state suppression against relatively defenseless groups. If violence is one of the tools used to that aim, that is completely internally consistent.
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Unless they have specifically made a claim to pacifism, calling them hypocrites is bullshit deflection.
 
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I don't think they are seeking an end to violence, as much as an end to violence used as an expression of state suppression against relatively defenseless groups. If violence is one of the tools used to that aim, that is completely internally consistent.
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Unless they have specifically made a claim to pacifism, calling them hypocrites is bullshit deflection.
Well that's a really dumb idea then because you won't out-violence people with fighter jets and warships without the force of a country behind your back, so you will never achieve your goal. If that's it then they're putting a short-term cathartic moment over the long term fulfillment of their goals since this will only go up to a certain point and then it is doomed to be overpowered when the government takes it seriously and starts actually putting some effort to suppress it, so to proclaim that they care for those goals when this is how they behave is also hypocritical in this sense too since they are putting other things before actually fulfilling those goals.


I presumed a claim of pacifism because that is the only logical approach people have to redress their grievances. They have to make a plea for decency and rightness and sway people morally. Nothing else can work.
 

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Well that's a really dumb idea then because you won't out-violence people with fighter jets and warships without the force of a country behind your back, so you will never achieve your goal. If that's it then they're putting a short-term cathartic moment over the long term fulfillment of their goals since this will only go up to a certain point and then it is doomed to be overpowered when the government takes it seriously and starts actually putting some effort to suppress it, so to proclaim that they care for those goals when this is how they behave is also hypocritical in this sense too since they are putting other things before actually fulfilling those goals.


I presumed a claim of pacifism because that is the only logical approach people have to redress their grievances. They have to make a plea for decency and rightness and sway people morally. Nothing else can work.
Not on a straight fight they won't but I mean Vietnam happened.
 

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I presumed a claim of pacifism because that is the only logical approach people have to redress their grievances. They have to make a plea for decency and rightness and sway people morally. Nothing else can work.
That has literally never worked in the entire history of the United States.
 

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Well that's a really dumb idea then because you won't out-violence people with fighter jets and warships without the force of a country behind your back, so you will never achieve your goal. If that's it then they're putting a short-term cathartic moment over the long term fulfillment of their goals since this will only go up to a certain point and then it is doomed to be overpowered when the government takes it seriously and starts actually putting some effort to suppress it, so to proclaim that they care for those goals when this is how they behave is also hypocritical in this sense too since they are putting other things before actually fulfilling those goals.


I presumed a claim of pacifism because that is the only logical approach people have to redress their grievances. They have to make a plea for decency and rightness and sway people morally. Nothing else can work.
Your older brother is sitting on you punching you. You complain loudly telling him to stop. You manage to twist free and punch him in the face, responding in the desperation of the moment. He calls you a hypocrite for punching him back.
 

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It's like airlines are a private business and they can boot your fucking asses if you break the rules and threaten the staff/other passangers.

Nobody is entitled to an airline ticket. Actions have consequences.
 

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It's like airlines are a private business and they can boot your fucking asses if you break the rules and threaten the staff/other passangers.

Nobody is entitled to an airline ticket. Actions have consequences.
So does having a lot of angry people now unable to easily get home in a location they're already being told they're wanted by authorities. Some of them could well go "Well might as well do something to actually be make the news and push "the cause" if we're going to jail anyway.
 

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So does having a lot of angry people now unable to easily get home in a location they're already being told they're wanted by authorities. Some of them could well go "Well might as well do something to actually be make the news and push "the cause" if we're going to jail anyway.
Should have thought of that before they took part in a Riot(if we're being nice) or Sedition(if we're not) that made them wanted by the law.

Actions have consequences and not being able to get a plane home is the least of the consequences a lot of these people face for their shitty actions.

They seemed really fucking proud of themselves when they were hurting/killing people and breaking things on Wednesday. Taking fucking responsibility for their actions is the least they can do, especially since they're so fucking sure they were right to do it. Especially followers of the guy who keeps shouting "LAW AND ORDER!:"
 

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Well that's a really dumb idea then because you won't out-violence people with fighter jets and warships without the force of a country behind your back, so you will never achieve your goal.
You don't need to out-violence them, you need to reduce the public's willingness to stomach the violence. See pretty much every 'terrorist' organisation.

(The quotes are because I'm choosing not to comment on whether I feel different organisations are terrorists or freedom fighters.)
 

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I saw Lester Nightly News last night, and whaddaya know, all these assholes have been arrested for being domestic terrorist shits. Ain't karma fun? Oh, and they are facing so many charges.
 
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I saw Lester Nightly News last night, and whaddaya know, all these assholes have been arrested for being domestic terrorist shits. Ain't karma fun? Oh, and they are facing so many charges.
All of them? That seems optimistic.
 

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All of them? That seems optimistic.
It will get there at some point, as they got a lot of the assholes already. Either way, it's nice seeing people getting punished for bad and idiotic things. I am in a really good mood.
 
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You'll excuse me if I'm not heartbroken that people wanted on felony charges are not able to skip the state.

I believe there are laws concerning knowingly helping fugitives evade law enforcement. As in it's a felony on federal and state levels.

I mean, that and the whole "killed people and caused mass property damage". I wouldn't want them in my house, at my business or on the same plane as me.
 
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Well that's a really dumb idea then because you won't out-violence people with fighter jets and warships without the force of a country behind your back, so you will never achieve your goal.
That's why we pacified Iraq in a week, with our fighter jets and warships and the force of a country behind our back.

...oh, wait....