Atheist Bible

[LewsTherin]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

If you concede the point of God's existence, rationally you could say he never began, but always was.

 

[caross73]

If you concede the point of God's existence, rationally you could saw he never began, but always was.

If you concede the Universe's existence, rationally you could say it never began, but always was.

Its turtles all the way down, dude.

 

[Ap07h30515]

Agnostic.

"I don't know nor care what you think you know because it dosen't really matter as long as your're a happy chap and leave me alone."

As for everthing else: censorship is wrong, bible codes are stupid, aliens aren't real but ghosts are, there are too many bloody people on earth, and something interesting will happen somewhere sometime in 2012. That is all.

 

[scoHish]

Atheists with a bible makes about as much sense as an organized meeting of anarchists...

 

[USSR]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

Do you not understand English?
Ok dumbass, please refresh your definition of what the hell a belief is.

I know it is neither true nor false without evidence, but I believe it is true.

Also why they call it a religious "belief", not a religious "fact".

I am not saying my reason is any better than than yours to believe in,

I am telling you not to say my belief (or anyone else's) is incorrect, because you don't know it is.

"There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for." Really, because you seem to think the terms believe and fact are the same thing.

 

[BNguyen]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold.

You suggest that God will save people based on those who believe as opposed to those that are good people. This was the point I was getting at.

Edit: By this logic, someone who has never heard of Christianity, but who spends their life helping others, respecting nature and staying faithful to their partner is not welcome in Heaven. Which does not make sense at all.

Even if you act good, you are not acknowledging the fact that you were given those gifts around you, such as a faithful partner, a good life, and the ability to help others. When you do not acknowledge that someone or something had given you that life, then I do not believe that you are welcome into Heaven.

"You aren't acknowledging the fact that you were given..."

He just said that he was talking of someone outside of Christianity. This causes your "acknowledge" argument to flop, as there is no one, or at least not the Judeo-Christian God, to acknowledge things to. Your argument, the Christianity argument, that good people go to Hell not based on their actions, but their religion, is the biggest reason why I left the church.

God gives all good things.

Satan/You causes all bad things.

God has a plan, except when you go against it, but it's okay because even if you go against God's Plan, it was all a part of God's Plan the entire time.

Many people go against God's Plan, and go to Hell for it, but by the way, God planned that too.

Go ahead and call anybody who disagrees with you Satan, like anybody cares.
It's so stupid why we are arguing, believe what you want and I'll do the same, just don't go and make accusations that you can't prove and then try to tell someone that they're wrong we you don't know.

 

[Ignignoct]

Go ahead and call anybody who disagrees with you Satan, like anybody cares.
It's so stupid why we are arguing, believe what you want and I'll do the same, just don't go and make accusations that you can't prove and then try to tell someone that they're wrong we you don't know.

Wow. Awesome.

It's like a complete copy/paste reply without needing to relate to anything I posted.

Bravo, sir.

You're truly a pioneer in advanced debate techniques, and outside-the-box thinking.

 

[BNguyen]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

After reading many of your remarks, I've come to realize how stupid you truly are. You claim to understand this and that and that this is more likely to happen/exist/etc. than that, but you can't see yourself for how little you know. Just because you've studied this or that you immediately think you know it all, but the truth is that almost nothing in science or these studies is correct because we go by human standards, which are the way they are because we believe them to be true. Wisdom and intellect are illusions.
And by the way, if you can't prove that the universe began because of God, then you can't mark it out as an impossibility.

 

[caross73]

"There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for." Really, because you seem to think the terms believe and fact are the same thing.

Because there are no facts, only things we believe very strongly because we have a lot of evidence. We could always be wrong. Just sometimes its unlikely. Other times its VERY likely.

You are very likely to be wrong if you "believe" in things without evidence. You are almost CERTAINLY wrong if you believe in very complicated things, like Messianic Savior Sacrificing PseudoJudaic Deities with Anger Management Issues and Split Personalities with NO evidence whatsoever.

I don't understand why you are having such a hard time understanding this very simple concept.

 

[BNguyen]

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god.

You kind of went against yourself here by saying "If I said that God was made of cheese...but I haven't even suggested the idea of God".
Listen to yourself and read before you submit.

 

[caross73]

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god.

You kind of went against yourself here by saying "If I said that God was made of cheese...but I haven't even suggested the idea of God".
Listen to yourself and read before you submit.

I haven't suggested the idea of God because I make no claims that God is real. IF I said being the operative words. Why don't you take your own advice. I know this is hard, but God is actually an idea, you have to define that idea before you can decide how strongly to believe in it.

And defining an idea is adding qualifiers to it. What is God, what traits does God have, and what ISN'T God. Every qualifier adds a certain probability that I am wrong about it. That probability is close to 1 every time I add in a qualifier, something that distinguishes God from the infinite number of things that God isn't, without any evidence to back it up.

 

[BNguyen]

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god.

You kind of went against yourself here by saying "If I said that God was made of cheese...but I haven't even suggested the idea of God".
Listen to yourself and read before you submit.

I haven't suggested the idea of God because I make no claims that God is real. IF I said being the operative words. Why don't you take your own advice. I know this is hard, but God is actually an idea, you have to define that idea before you can decide how strongly to believe in it.

READ IT. "IF I SAID THAT GOD WAS MADE OF CHEESE" Carefully read the Word "said" and "God", you claim that you did not suggest God, but you include him in your statement. Geez I hate having to repeat myself to people who don't listen.

 

[caross73]

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god.

You kind of went against yourself here by saying "If I said that God was made of cheese...but I haven't even suggested the idea of God".
Listen to yourself and read before you submit.

I haven't suggested the idea of God because I make no claims that God is real. IF I said being the operative words. Why don't you take your own advice. I know this is hard, but God is actually an idea, you have to define that idea before you can decide how strongly to believe in it.

READ IT. "IF I SAID THAT GOD WAS MADE OF CHEESE" Carefully read the Word "said" and "God", you claim that you did not suggest God, but you include him in your statement. Geez I hate having to repeat myself to people who don't listen.

I heard you, and you don't understand what I am saying. The word GOD is NOT AN IDEA in and of itself. I can certainly use the word God without making the suggestion that the word God has any actual MEANING. Suggest meaning 'to imply as a possibility'. Go look it up in Webster's if you think suggest means 'say the word'.

I'm sorry you are frustrated explaining yourself. The feeling is mutual. I don't like semantic games.

 

[caross73]

After reading many of your remarks, I've come to realize how stupid you truly are. You claim to understand this and that and that this is more likely to happen/exist/etc. than that, but you can't see yourself for how little you know. Just because you've studied this or that you immediately think you know it all, but the truth is that almost nothing in science or these studies is correct because we go by human standards, which are the way they are because we believe them to be true. Wisdom and intellect are illusions.
And by the way, if you can't prove that the universe began because of God, then you can't mark it out as an impossibility.

OH, you were calling ME stupid. Well then, clearly you are brilliant and shouldn't be wasting your time arguing with ME. I don't really know ANYTHING with certainty. And clearly, you KNOW that wisdom and intellect are just illusions. Thank you for clearing everything up for me.

God could have created the universe and put all this absence of evidence here just to test the faithful. Personally I think thats a really stupid idea. But yeah, you're right. I could also be living in the matrix, and everything I see is just an illusion. I can't rule it out. And maybe yesterday I rode on the back of a unicorn to the moon, and today my memory of it was erased the moment I woke up because of the night elf magic.

What a deep and useful philosophy that is. Clearly now we can determine what is real.

All I'm saying is that when you make crap up, you're selecting a particular kind of crap from a universe of infinite varieties of crap. Your odds of hitting the real crap are damn slim.

 

[lizards]

Um. The only thing Atheists share, is lack of belief in any gods.

Anything else is not involved. I'm sort of amoral nihilist, but it's just my philosophical view on life that probably isn't shared by too many.

i believe their is a god i cruel evil basturd one but i share your philosophical look on life everything will be explained by science and i look for why things happen

 

[oktalist]

Yeah, it's sort of like anarchists getting together. The only thing that binds us really is our disbelief in fairytales.

Lol, nice, reading that reminded me of the anarchist meetings I kept hearing about.

Atheists with a bible makes about as much sense as an organized meeting of anarchists...

Anarchists can organise (depending on school), they just can't have leaders.

 

[DarkDoor11]

There cannot possibly be an "Atheist Bible" simply because the term "Atheist" describes a person who believes in no God's or higher powers, however Atheist does not mean a lack of religion, if you want a book of morals there are plenty of Atheist religions out there. Honestly I don't really think you should need somebody to tell you what is right and wrong after you reach maturity, it's pretty silly if you ask me. I know my morals, and nobody needs to tell me what not to do, something I was born knowing, and realized as I grew. You can not Group all Atheists, because it's such a diverse range of people falling into a category, It's much too broad, however you could put Buddhist as a group, and they are atheist by religion, they're a group of atheists with similar beliefs, but you can't ever group you and me together, and you never will be able to.

 

[CapnGod]

Can omniscient god
Find the omnipotence
To change
His future mind?

 

[CapnGod]

Descartes did one thing I did like. I'm fairly certain he wasn't the first, but I learned about it in conjunction with him, so I'll attribute it thusly.

The Evil Genius. Man, I love me some Evil Genius. There is no argument for god strong enough to sufficiently counter the Evil Genius argument. Imagine that there is an Evil Genius exerting all his powers toward deceiving you into believing all that you do. Math, science, your senses, everything fails in the face of the Evil Genius. If you've seen the Thirteenth Floor, you could even argue that the Cogito fails in the face of the Evil Genius. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_daemon

The Cogito is about the only thing that really does stand up to the power of the Evil Genius argument, and even that could be iffy.

And, just to be contrarian, I now ask all the people who believe in god to prove to me that the Evil Genius does not exist.

 

[caross73]

Descartes did one thing I did like. I'm fairly certain he wasn't the first, but I learned about it in conjunction with him, so I'll attribute it thusly.
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The Cogito is about the only thing that really does stand up to the power of the Evil Genius argument, and even that could be iffy.

And, just to be contrarian, I now ask all the people who believe in god to prove to me that the Evil Genius does not exist.

I love it. But hell, of course cogito is iffy, the Evil Genius could make The Cogito turn out any way he liked, and you'd see it as being perfectly consistent with your, now compromised, internal logic. Of COURSE one plus one equals three. It has to be that way!

But thats why arguments like "you can't prove God doesn't exist" don't really get us anywhere. There are lots of things I can't PROVE don't exist, because there are an endless supply of scenarios where I've been tricked! ... But I have to work with the reality I've been presented and make the best guesses I can. That means not making up complicated scenarios that I can't possibly have any evidence for just because I'm enamored of the conclusions I could get with them.