Australian Government Says "Silent Majority" Must Be Heard in Ratings Debate

Therumancer

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I pretty much agree that it sounds like a censor-happy goverment doesn't like the results and is fishing for the answer it wants so it can run with that.

Of course the big problem here of course is that we don't see a lot of pressure being put on the goverment to keep with the results either.

The whole problem with gamers is that we do nothing but talk. When it comes to the US censorship issue that's about to see it's hearing, there is nothing but dialogue. Nobody is concerned about action whatsoever. When it comes to Australia where it's also a bit of a free speech issue, the goverment ignores the results it called for, and the people that stand to benefit from those results are going to sit around twiddling their thumbs between whines while the goverment just goes ahead and does whatever the heck it wants on the issue anyway. In this case the "silent majority" comment (which has some truth in certain matters, like when confronting political correctness) is pretty much them saying "we're going to ignore you because we know most people disagree with you, so we'll wait for the responses we want".


It's sort of like what would have happened if all the blacks and liberals stayed home during Martin Luthor King's Civil Liberties crusades in the US. If they hadn't gathered those massive non-violent crowds, along with the basic message "we're peaceful, but if you don't do what we want we have enough of a potential force yield to do some really massive damage" the whole thing would have failed.

I don't think the politicians are the problem, I think the sedimentary gamer is the problem. I also think the big guns who just play politics are the problem as well nowadays.

While it gets somewhat off topic some people might remember the whole "Japanacorp Invasion" scare of the 1980s, along with concerns that our ethics in the US made our businesses incapable of competing on the national level. You'll also notice that things changed for a good long while and the threats as they existed disappeared.

The reason being that while not totally callous a lot of cloak and dagger stuff broke out and you wound up seeing a lot of politicians forced to change their positions and take a more anti-Japan position despite the personal gains for them. Combined with some disappearances and a lot of accidents. It's hard to point a finger at, but it was an interesting time and people noticed it.

This was incidently the direct inspiration for a lot of the "corperate warfare" fiction that became popularized in Cyberpunk and the like. Things where two corperations go at it with mercenaries and private armies as much as with finances, and bureaucracy.

I think one of the problems with American business is that in the last 25 years or so people again forgot the earlier lessons and both the goverment and the businessmen are simply lining their pockets with money from our current economic rivals like China, who represent a very similar kind of threat to what Japan once did, albiet with it eerily not being addressed or even acknowleged all that much.

I suppose it blows chips when someone is strong arming an issue through that you don't agree with, but along with a lack of action on the part of gamers, I don't think the gaming industry as a whole is playing dirty/rough enough. It hasn't even gotten as bad as Hollywood or The Music Industry in it's own defense, never mind the kind of stuff from the 80s that inspired Cyberpunk authors for generations when people were reading between the lines.

I would think with issues like this at stake, you'd have a number of politicians retiring or having accidents, along with members of various private organizatios working in opposition simply due to the issues and the money involved. I very much get the impression that what your seeing here is all that is going on, and oddly that sort of bothers me on a lot of levels since it almost feels like nobody really cares that much about the issue.
 

LornMind

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Autofaux said:
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Wow. And here I thought only my government (the US) was bold enough to just drop it's pants and shit on my face unapologetically.
This is just pathetic. The whole ordeal has become that one picture of that angry looking child saying, "Stop liking what I don't like."
Come on now AU government, stop acting so immature. The populace responded. You can't just stuff your fingers in your ears and start singing at the top of your voice to avoid hearing what you don't want to hear.
Seriously, I'm waiting for the free speech zones and the wiretapping. Wouldn't trust a politician in this parliament to look out for my interests as far as I could throw them.

But it's not the just the government, see, its the whole country. We are a largely conservative nation, in the way we view immigration, in the way we view other cultures; especially Muslims, Aborigines and Asians (both oriental and Southern). Australia passes itself off as a multicultural nation, but my dad came here twenty three years ago and he feels its more racist than its ever been.

I believe Yahtzee hit the nail on the head. "Come try our beer and racism". Oh, and the beaches. They're okay too.
Man. I feel for you. Sounds like Australia needs an upheaval in its government staffing to swing it towards the left. But what the hell are the chances of that? Unless the youth is getting tired of conservative bullshit (no, not all conservative ideas are bad, I'm talking about bullshit, just as liberals have their bullshit) and are interested in running for office in the future, Australia might be in for a rather dreary, racist time. As it has been, as you stated.
 

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Hmm, I'm reminded of the situation with the Lisbon Treaty in Europe...
Ah yes, the Lisbon treaty. Im glad my country didnt bother voting against it the second time, wouldve been a waste of time since they would have just kept putting it to the vote til people got sick of it. Not that im opposed to the treaty per say, it was jus passed in a very underhanded manner.
 

Autofaux

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LornMind said:
Autofaux said:
Seriously, I'm waiting for the free speech zones and the wiretapping. Wouldn't trust a politician in this parliament to look out for my interests as far as I could throw them.

But it's not the just the government, see, its the whole country. We are a largely conservative nation, in the way we view immigration, in the way we view other cultures; especially Muslims, Aborigines and Asians (both oriental and Southern). Australia passes itself off as a multicultural nation, but my dad came here twenty three years ago and he feels its more racist than its ever been.

I believe Yahtzee hit the nail on the head. "Come try our beer and racism". Oh, and the beaches. They're okay too.
Man. I feel for you. Sounds like Australia needs an upheaval in its government staffing to swing it towards the left. But what the hell are the chances of that? Unless the youth is getting tired of conservative bullshit (no, not all conservative ideas are bad, I'm talking about bullshit, just as liberals have their bullshit) and are interested in running for office in the future, Australia might be in for a rather dreary, racist time. As it has been, as you stated.
We haven't quite hit the era where liberals can even have bullshit. (Liberal is a misnomer here. The right-wing party here is the Liberal Party. Barefaced irony in politics, right there in the title). There is no left wing in Australian politics. The Labor Party, which is basically run by the trade unions for better AND worse, has a left wing faction and a right wing faction, and the right wing faction has the majority in the party, and has our Prime Minister in their pocket.

I'm considering fleeing to Denmark, where they don't care about threats of terrorism, rather laugh them off before drawing some more pictures of Mohammed.
 

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Sounds like they're trying to get the answer THEY want, not what the people want. I imagine now that they've asked and the people want it, they'll get it. The Austrailian goverment kind of stirred them up.

That 'silent majority'? Yeah, they're probably people who don't care either way.
 

Atmos Duality

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Doesn't the Australian Government have rules for determining the legal outcome of a neutral/non-response for any given "vote" (or an absence of a vote)?

How could they not? This is basic shit people! Like Robert's Rules of Order basic!
 

sir.rutthed

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Funny how no matter where you are politicians pull the same bullshit to get their way. I really hope you guys get a fair deal out of this, but I'm not getting very optimistic so far. If they really want to they'll find a way to keep mature games off the shelves whether most Ausies like it or not.
 

LornMind

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Autofaux said:
LornMind said:
Autofaux said:
Seriously, I'm waiting for the free speech zones and the wiretapping. Wouldn't trust a politician in this parliament to look out for my interests as far as I could throw them.

But it's not the just the government, see, its the whole country. We are a largely conservative nation, in the way we view immigration, in the way we view other cultures; especially Muslims, Aborigines and Asians (both oriental and Southern). Australia passes itself off as a multicultural nation, but my dad came here twenty three years ago and he feels its more racist than its ever been.

I believe Yahtzee hit the nail on the head. "Come try our beer and racism". Oh, and the beaches. They're okay too.
Man. I feel for you. Sounds like Australia needs an upheaval in its government staffing to swing it towards the left. But what the hell are the chances of that? Unless the youth is getting tired of conservative bullshit (no, not all conservative ideas are bad, I'm talking about bullshit, just as liberals have their bullshit) and are interested in running for office in the future, Australia might be in for a rather dreary, racist time. As it has been, as you stated.
We haven't quite hit the era where liberals can even have bullshit. (Liberal is a misnomer here. The right-wing party here is the Liberal Party. Barefaced irony in politics, right there in the title). There is no left wing in Australian politics. The Labor Party, which is basically run by the trade unions for better AND worse, has a left wing faction and a right wing faction, and the right wing faction has the majority in the party, and has our Prime Minister in their pocket.

I'm considering fleeing to Denmark, where they don't care about threats of terrorism, rather laugh them off before drawing some more pictures of Mohammed.
Doesn't sound like a bad idea. I intend on just staying here in the US though. I've grown up with two bowls of shit shouting at each other and taking turns smelling their farts, so I've become so politically jaded I just don't care about the mindless banter. At least until something really important comes up. Then I'll give a damn. But even then, massive amounts of bullshit to slog through, and by the end, I'm sure I'll wonder if it was all worthwhile.
 

Brandon237

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The silent majority DOES NOT CARE and SHOULD NOT BE CONSULTED ON MATTERS OF WHICH THEY HAVE ALMOST NO EXPERIENCE. Yes, I do enjoy using caps lock thank-you very much...

When, oh soul when, will governments realise that the idea of a democracy is to listen to the people who care enough to actually cast their votes and opinions?
 

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Evidently the silent majority don't care - hence the silence - so change it for the people that it affects.

The silent majority is just a fucking excuse used be anyone and everyone to back up their opinion with no evidence whatsoever.
 

Ranorak

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Cause you know, Australia.
Every country that has a 18+ rating has falling so deep in chaos.
It's just wild sex and violence all over the place.
 

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Hm, funny thing about the silent majority. They haven't given a vote when it mattered (i.e. an election) thus their opinion dosen't matter. In the norwegian constitution there is a paragraph stating something that is meant to give everyone the right to be political active. But it also states something that can be summarised down to: If you don't vote, don't be a ***** when politicians do their job.