- Dec 12, 2008
Edit: Double post
The problem with that attitude is that it basically ignores societal context and punishes those trying to call out bigoted behavior, while giving the bigots a pass. Extreme example; if someone burns a cross on a black man's lawn it's pretty obvious what the implication is there without anybody having to actually say it. It's clearly a racist gesture if you know anything about the KKK and racial history in North America.Mr. Eff said:I remember bringing this up with a particularly bad university prof I had. She could not come up with a good answer to my argument that the first person to bring "race" into an argument is a racist themselves, and pretty much just ended the discussion with (paraphrasing) "If you can't see it, that's not my problem."
...Crackers? Might work for the white Europeans at leastWintermute said:Yeah, the World Cup is less than 2 months away, and I can't wait to throw..... what can I throw at European players?
Smart teacher, you probably should have paid more attention to what she said.Mr. Eff said:I remember bringing this up with a particularly bad university prof I had. She could not come up with a good answer to my argument that the first person to bring "race" into an argument is a racist themselves, and pretty much just ended the discussion with (paraphrasing) "If you can't see it, that's not my problem."
More like once in a blue moon, for a good 25 years that stuff gets you banned from all local grounds for life, having to hand in your passport and regularly check in with the police during international tournaments.V4Viewtiful said:Any of your american players got it like that? I tell you now in England that sort of thing likes to happen every now and then.
There's an anti-Semitic chant for one of our teams too.
It's not acceptable outside a small minority of racists, unfortunately they are present and drag themselves out of their caves every now and again to watch football. In very broad strokes, this sort of behaviour becomes more common as you head either south or east across the continent though it can happen anywhere. The football leagues and teams have largely tried hard to kick it out, but well racists be racist.The Almighty Aardvark said:OT: I've never heard about this being a thing before. I'm surprised that this is actually a thing that's acceptable to do. Where exactly is this common in Europe?
^This.Rblade said:In the history of european football banana's and jungle noises have been used for ages by racist to indicate someone is "a monkey" It's the historical load that makes this particular gesture extremely racist.
It's strange, when a banana was thrown at Neymar during a Brazil vs Scotland match sports media actually made the "Bananero" connection. This time though it's only being reported as an act that was motivated by race.Johnny Novgorod said:Jesus, everybody got this wrong. They're not attacking him for his race, they're attacking him for being from South America. It's very common in Spain to be condescending towards "bananero" countries, i.e. countries that are stereotypically said to live off banana exportations. The implication being they're culturally backwards countries. "Bananero" is their go-to insult when attacking us. It has nothing to do with race.
O__OCasual Shinji said:One of the more famous chants fans have over here in Holland is 'Hamas, Hamas, gass the Jews'.