Batman V Superman's Full Trailer Finally Arrives

[happyninja42]

Okay sofirst movie we get Pa Kent telling Superman maybe he should have let a bus load of kids die and now Ma Kent telling him he can just stop, he doesn't owe the world anything... They're... they're not great people in this series are they.

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Not everyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy. I only read a handful of Marvel books, the vast majority are DC.. People who dislike this could actually, now pay attention here, not like it because they think it's bad.

Pretty much this. I personally don't give a fuck about the internet fan obsession with the "Who will win in a fight? SMan or BMan?" It's one of the dumbest questions ever, and the fact that it's a debate that has existed for decades, just eats away at my soul. Who cares? Neither of them is going to ultimately win, because they're both good guys. So they're going to toss each other around town for a bit, then make up and bro-hug it out, then go beat up whatever Luthor is cooking up. No matter how the fight ends up, fanboys are going to rage on the internet about how that wouldn't happen, they will play superhero rock paper scissors, and shut down every attempt in the fight "No way would BMan be able to dodge the laser! It's at the speed of light! Game over bro!" "Pssh, no way SMan's getting up from that hit! You know BMan's got kryptonite in his boots and gloves! SMan's toast! Game over bro!" blah blah blah, wake me up when it's fucking over.

Neither will win, so every second of that film that is BMan v SMan is just wasting my damn time and money.

 

[Clankenbeard]

Nah he's wearing his power armour which could be resistant enough.

Hard to swallow unless it's alien or magitech or something.

MoS level Superman can throw someone through multiple buildings and fly to satellite orbit in a couple of seconds ... even if the suit could take a punch, human flesh inside couldn't. Combine that with superspeed and flight capability and it becomes a bit silly for Batman to go up against them in some human level tech tin can.

Superman will probably go easy on him of course, but Batman should be too smart to do it in the first place.

Yes. The fight should be very lopsided. I'm not a fan of Superman as a character, but he's the clear victor in this conflict. However, there's a Kryptonite scene in the trailer. There you go--the great equalizer. Now Superman has to duke it out without superpowers and Ben is bigger physically.
"Man of Steel was not inspiring."

 

[Glongpre]

Spoiler

"Man of Steel was not inspiring."

Lol that video is hilarious.

I have a feeling that neither Superman or Batman will "win", because I think the people making the movie will avoid answering the question. They will probably come to a mutual understanding of why they both need to be there, then they will kick prepubescent Luthor's ass.

What would really be cool is a movie where Batman and Superman form a team and just wreck all the villains, but keep like a score a la Gimli and Legolas. The ultimate bromance movie.

 

[Laughing Man]

I don;t really care about the tone or look as I am still hung up on the entire concept.

Poorer, less capable version of Ironman, goes up against literal God. Sorry but where is the VS in that scenario?

The entire concept is so stupid that the only logical scenario that I can come up with that will allow this to happen is

a). Kryptonite (after all if you want to introduce a level of risk to Superman the only option is Kryptonite and the fact we actually see mystery glowing green rock in the trailer suggests this or

b). Mopping, gloomy, tied up in self conflict, I could destroy this guy in a split second but I am also the reason he is trying to fight me, I killed his and possibly many other peoples families, friends loved ones, I'll mope around a bit and not just beat this guy to death with the armour plated wings of the fucking Batmobile (did you see that he literally tears the sides of the Batmobile) in a split second because I have a lot of self searching and self reflection to do, preferably while letting this poor vengeance seeking individual beat on me for oh twenty maybe thirty minutes.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

This actually looks pretty good. I'm liking Affleck as Wayne/Batman more and more. I was really digging the whole thing until I saw Lex Luthor. He just looks and sounds awful. Is he supposed to be the comic relief?

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I'm really torn by this.

The Batman / Superman dynamic actually looks like it could work. I'm glad they are going for older, experienced Batman verses less experienced Superman, and it appears to be more of a pissing contest between the two than all out war (e.g. the bit where Superman rips open the batmobile and the two just stare out each other.)

The attention to detail in marrying Batman's concerns to the destruction of Metropolis (by retconning Bruce Wayne into the city and being affected by the destruction) is pretty great as well.

But then I remember Wonder Woman is in this movie... and Aquaman. And Lex Luthor. And each of these will probably have their own subplots and roles to play, and it just makes me nervous as to how the rest of the movie will pan out.

It's certainly intriguing, and there is some great potential to bring more than Baysplosions to this movie, but I guess only time will tell.

 

[Cicada 5]

Looked pretty bad to me. More Jesus = Superman crap, Wasting more than a millisecond with Batman´s bloody origin again. Wonder Woman seems like an afterthought, which leaves me wondering how the hell she even fits into anything and Aquaman is also supposed to come in and say hi, god knows how.

But the real killer for me is Ma Kent´s "You owe them nothing" line. If anybody thinks this is brilliant, than you frankly don´t understand the bloody point of Superman, and leaving that aside, you just told an super powered alien to "not give a damn about humanity, because you don´t owe them anything", now explain to me how that does not give him pretty much all justification to become a despot if he so pleases or just leave the planet and so on.

That is NOT what she said. She was telling him to be a hero because it was what he chose to do, not because he HAD to do it. She's a woman expressing concern for her son. Cut her some slack.

 

[Cicada 5]

Looked pretty bad to me. More Jesus = Superman crap, Wasting more than a millisecond with Batman´s bloody origin again. Wonder Woman seems like an afterthought, which leaves me wondering how the hell she even fits into anything and Aquaman is also supposed to come in and say hi, god knows how.

But the real killer for me is Ma Kent´s "You owe them nothing" line. If anybody thinks this is brilliant, than you frankly don´t understand the bloody point of Superman, and leaving that aside, you just told an super powered alien to "not give a damn about humanity, because you don´t owe them anything", now explain to me how that does not give him pretty much all justification to become a despot if he so pleases or just leave the planet and so on.

That is NOT what she said. She was telling him to be a hero because it was what he chose to do, not because he HAD to do it. She's a woman expressing concern for her son. Cut her some slack.

The only thing they got right in this so far is Superman dealing the the ramifications of his fight with Zod, although I feel they'll just half-resolve that point by the end of the film. Doesn't help that the film seems to be juggling like 10 different plot-threads: Batman introduction, Superman earning the people's trust, whatever Lex has planned, some conflict between Superman and Batman, those Super-Soliders, Wonder Woman for some reason - and neither Aquaman nor Cyborg have been shown yet.

But the biggest thing that gets me is the tone of this film - HOLY SHIT, lighten up guys! It's so damn dark and brooding it makes me sick. I get that Batman being dark, but Superman never even cracks a smile. It almost feels like the writers are looking towards Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman and Superman's relationship for inspiration, which is not a good sign at all. Not to mention that they're really pushing the "Superman is a god" line way too far. Superman is supposed to be an icon to look up to but here he's painted as Space Jesus, even more so than in Man of Steel. Then we have Luthor. Fuck. Could they have made a WORSE Luthor?

I'm not going to lie, I think I've already made up my mind on this film. I'm just going to go and watch the Batman/Superman movie again.

What may I ask, is so different between an animated movie that has Superman and Batman starting out as enemies and this film which hasn't even been released yet, but is probably going to have the same plot?

 

[ShakerSilver]

What may I ask, is so different between an animated movie that has Superman and Batman starting out as enemies and this film which hasn't even been released yet, but is probably going to have the same plot?

"Enemies" isn't accurate. Had you actually watched the movie, you'd know they more or less start out as rivals. Superman merely disapproves of Batman's methods (on top of Bruce wooing Lois), while Batman thinks Superman gets in his way. Over the course of the film they eventually learn from one another and gain respect for each other. What starts out as a rivalry eventually becomes a friendship.

Spoiler: This is the scene from the Batman/Superman movie that immediately follows the first video.

Scene is at 2:17

I'm not getting that from this film. All I see is some brooding guy and an alien that seem to want each other dead. Every bit of info for this film is hyping their confrontation. If they eventually do make peace I doubt it would be anything other than forced and probably stuffed into the end of the 3rd Act.

 

[Cicada 5]

What may I ask, is so different between an animated movie that has Superman and Batman starting out as enemies and this film which hasn't even been released yet, but is probably going to have the same plot?

"Enemies" isn't accurate. Had you actually watched the movie, you'd know they more or less start out as rivals. Superman merely disapproves of Batman's methods (on top of Bruce wooing Lois), while Batman thinks Superman gets in his way. Over the course of the film they eventually learn from one another and gain respect for each other. What starts out as a rivalry eventually becomes a friendship.

Spoiler: This is the scene from the Batman/Superman movie that immediately follows the first video.

Scene is at 2:17

I'm not getting that from this film. All I see is some brooding guy and an alien that seem to want each other dead. Every bit of info for this film is hyping their confrontation. If they eventually do make peace I doubt it would be anything other than forced and probably stuffed into the end of the 3rd Act.

I have watched the animated movie. Perhaps, enemies was a strong word but in that film we see Bats judo-slamming Superman after the latter politely asks him to stop making trouble. Then he exposes him to Kryptonite to smugly rub in the fact that he knows Superman's weakness. We don't know what really leads to Clark and Bruce's fight in this film. Luthor's presence hints at him manipulating their conflict and possibly using some kind of device to control Superman. Also, as Superman is a divisive figure in this world, it make sense for Bruce to be wary of him.