Battlefield 3 Relieving Windows XP From Duty

[FinalFreak16]

All i know regarding the Vista-Windows 7 argument is that my laptop had an 1.5 hours battery life running vista and a 4 hour battery life on windows 7 (powersaver and barely doing anything but you get the point)

So i would imagine you can get a lot more out of a computer running 7 then you could with the same computer running vista.

 

[WolfLordAndy]

And now I have to update my computer... sigh :/

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Excuse me for being so amazingly stupid that I continue to use Vista at the moment.

Alright, begrudgingly, you're excused. But, now that you know, you can't really feign stupidity anymore.

Beware, everyone! We have an INTERNET TOUGH-GUY IN THE ROOM!!!

But seriously, I'd truly like to defend Vista here.... if it wasn't for the fact that it single-handedly slaughtered my $500 gaming laptop.

I haven't yet had the privilege of owning W7 yet, but from the test models and such I've tried out at stores it seems to be a much more lightweight and powerful operating system. When I finally finish my desktop gaming rig, I'm pretty sure I'll be opting for 7 instead of Vista.

Well Vista runs fine now, its had some major patches and indeed a service pack or two applied to it and its been brought into line. And since BF3 will support Vista, a man with a well configured Vista machine will enjoy his BF3 on launch. XP users now have some reason to upgrade, and believe me, its a quantum leap.

Lets not be too unkind to WinXP though. It has seen us through ten years of solid computer gaming and use and lets give it a fond send off to it can relax.

Compatibility and driver issues made a mess out of my beloved Asus. I'm sure Vista works well for some, but I've had HUGE issues with it, even with the latest updates and patches.

XP has had a great run, and realistically it might take another 5 years for it to be completely phased out. However, it's time for developers to stop letting it hold back the gaming industry due to its hardware limitations.

Don't get me wrong, when it was released Windows Vista was terrible. They played their hand close to their chest and as a result the vendors of other hardware were not ready with hardware and driver support. It was a disaster and MS should have known better. Windows7 is everything Vista should have been.

Vista is a good OS to use now if you still have it, because they've had time to sort out the driver support, patch the hell out of it and service pack its ***** ass into working. It was a bad release and it cost Microsoft.

 

[HellspawnCandy]

Why are PC gamers so attached to XP again

Backwards compatibility (or at least that's the case for me).

I concur, every olden game I've seen played has little bugs when played on windows 7. Like mega purple screen playing starcraft.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Mmmk. Dice won't be getting any money for this game from me, then. I will run XP until the day after it becomes completely impossible.

 

[Megacherv]

But it's gonna be supported until 2014, that's a bit mean.

Also, I guess (and/or hope) it'll work with DX10, as my graphics card doesn't support DX11 and it's a laptop one, so no-changey.

 

[Anti Nudist Cupcake]

Why are PC gamers so attached to XP again?

Because upgrading requires effort and I'm terribly lazy.

just "accidentally" throw it into the pool and say "oh... I guess I need a new Asus computer now...oh...darn..."

That's a little...harsh.

He only needs a new operating system...

Anyway, when vista was released I sticked with windows xp, THEN I upgraded when windows 7 came out. It does the job well and feels much more modern and up to date and refined than xp ever did, man that operating system made me feel very, very old and outdated.

 

[Credge]

Why are PC gamers so attached to XP again?

Because upgrading requires effort and I'm terribly lazy.

No, it's just really, really good. There's also been no reason to upgrade as Vista was awful.

Now 7 is out and it's really, really good. It's been time to upgrade since the launch of 7.

 

[RicoADF]

So while this is a gamble for DICE to potentially alienate a good quarter of its potential market, it is probably a calculated one: There's a good chance that the hardcore gamers who would play a game like Battlefield 3 are the ones that have already upgraded to an OS like Vista or Windows 7.

I question the intelligence of anyone running Vista over 7, currently. If your PC can run Vista, it can run 7 better. Plain and simple.

It's honestly about time people started moving away from XP though, as stable and popular as it was. It's simply not optimized to take advantage of the hardware available these days. Engines based off of DX9, are simply...well, outdated. The only people who still utilize it, are console game makers. (And before people start foaming at the mouth, the PS3 and 360, just can't pull off full DX10 protocols...something to do with both machines being based off of DX9 cards).

+1 to DICE though, Battlefield 3 should be pretty awesome if they get their engine right.

7 is Vista, since I have Vista I don't see why I should waste $120 on the same thing, not like XP-Vista where there was a clear upgrade (abiet waiting till updates made it usable)

 

[fu3lman]

Not to derail the thread, but I have to chime in here in regards to the allaged "placebo effect" of going from Vista to Windows 7. I have personally seen night and day differences in performance on systems going from Vista to Windows 7.

I purchased an Acer laptop for my wife and it came preloaded with 32bit Vista home, and outside of having to learn a new(er) OS, she absolutely HATED it due to how unresponsive everything was. Opening/closing any window took ages. Any game she tried to run was just unacceptably slow considering her system specs. Her computer was, for all intents and purposes, less capable and slower than the computer it replaced, which wasn't even in the same league hardware-wise. And when things were working, UAC was there every step of the way ruining it. None of her games ran at acceptable framerates, though the discreet graphic hardware was FAR more capable than her old one. I had been using the Windows 7 RC2 and was extremely happy with it (versus XP and Vista 64bit) so I decided to get her Windows 7 32bit for her laptop, and Ultimate 64bit for myself.

The overall experience was completely different. Browser windows open when she wants them to. UAC is still there though much less intrusive. Her games (primarily WoW) run flawlessly, and she is absolutely thrilled to use her laptop now. Her system is just generally faster in almost every respect and metric. I've performed the same upgrade for several people with the exact same outcome.

I had participated in the Vista beta for a very long time and had an extremely capable system, and though I -liked- Vista, I'd always find myself wanting for XP for whatever reason and would end up going back, usually because of the piss-poor framerates I was getting in too many of my games (on an HD4850, Core2Duo, and 4GB 800mhz DDR2 when they were new). These shortcomings never seemed to work themselves out after the fact, judging from the experiences of others...I couldn't find a single reason to use it myself.

I entered into the Windows 7 beta/RC and found myself without a single reason to boot up XP, and every reason not to. Plain and simple. Dropped $300 for Windows 7 Ultimate Retail the second it became available and haven't looked back since. Wife feels the same way.

What does any of this have to do with Battlefield 3 ditching XP?

...Chewbacca.

 

[Doomdiver]

When I built my computer unless I wanted to spend large amounts of money on XP I knew I'd get much better value just moving to Vista. Yes it was a pain at times but as long as you knew what you were doing it was fine. It's not a question of intelligence on which OS you are running but a question of money (unless you pirate that is). Hell, if I hadn't got a free copy of Windows 7 from MSDNAA I would still be running Vista.

 

[Timbydude]

Yeah, we all knew this was going to start happening eventually.

Of course, Windows 7 really just works like an upgraded XP. Vista is pretty awful, but 7 works great.

Yes, the upgrade costs money, but let's face it; if you have a gaming computer on the first place, you've spent far more money than the cost of a new OS already. Relative to what you've already invested into PC gaming, it's not really that big of a step.

 

[RicoADF]

7 is Vista, since I have Vista I don't see why I should waste $120 on the same thing, not like XP-Vista where there was a clear upgrade (abiet waiting till updates made it usable)

LoL, yeah, 7 is Vista. You must be a real IT Pro.

Going by what I've seen with my computer vs my laptop that has 7 I frankly am not seeing a major difference, yes theres meant to be improved system resources but frankly Vista works perfectly for me, its stable, doesn't have any resource issues and I play games without any issues. With Vista patched up their pretty close to being the same thing, minus some changes in UI and slight improvements under the hood which I don't see as $120 worth when both my machines work perfectly as is.
And technically they are the same, 7 is Vista but tweeked, its not as heavy a rebuild or change as Vista was for XP. It takes more than a UI and some tweeks under the hood to make it worth $120, esp when Vista is finally stable and efficient.
EDIT: quick point, I'm refering to what I want/need in windows and comparing to weather its worth spending the $ that can go towards other things I need to pay for, I will be getting 7 eventually, but as already pointed out being just Vista improved, I'm in no hurry to get it.

 

[lacktheknack]

Just Cause 2 did this months ago, but I only heard one person crying about it.

I think this is a good thing.

 

[Danpascooch]

It may count as 44% of the market, but there is no way it is 44% of the PC GAMING market.

If you are still using Windows XP a year from now, you'll probably need a better computer to play the game anyway (I said PROBABLY, don't quote me screaming "I USE WINXP AND MY COMPUTER IS GOOD!")

 

[Danpascooch]

7 is Vista, since I have Vista I don't see why I should waste $120 on the same thing, not like XP-Vista where there was a clear upgrade (abiet waiting till updates made it usable)

LoL, yeah, 7 is Vista. You must be a real IT Pro.

Going by what I've seen with my computer vs my laptop that has 7 I frankly am not seeing a major difference, yes theres meant to be improved system resources but frankly Vista works perfectly for me, its stable, doesn't have any resource issues and I play games without any issues. With Vista patched up their pretty close to being the same thing, minus some changes in UI and slight improvements under the hood which I don't see as $120 worth when both my machines work perfectly as is.
And technically they are the same, 7 is Vista but tweeked, its not as heavy a rebuild or change as Vista was for XP. It takes more than a UI and some tweeks under the hood to make it worth $120, esp when Vista is finally stable and efficient.
EDIT: quick point, I'm refering to what I want/need in windows and comparing to weather its worth spending the $ that can go towards other things I need to pay for, I will be getting 7 eventually, but as already pointed out being just Vista improved, I'm in no hurry to get it.

The major difference is that it doesn't shit itself and explode every 5 minutes.

That's a pretty big difference

 

[Danpascooch]

7 is Vista, since I have Vista I don't see why I should waste $120 on the same thing, not like XP-Vista where there was a clear upgrade (abiet waiting till updates made it usable)

LoL, yeah, 7 is Vista. You must be a real IT Pro.

Going by what I've seen with my computer vs my laptop that has 7 I frankly am not seeing a major difference, yes theres meant to be improved system resources but frankly Vista works perfectly for me, its stable, doesn't have any resource issues and I play games without any issues. With Vista patched up their pretty close to being the same thing, minus some changes in UI and slight improvements under the hood which I don't see as $120 worth when both my machines work perfectly as is.
And technically they are the same, 7 is Vista but tweeked, its not as heavy a rebuild or change as Vista was for XP. It takes more than a UI and some tweeks under the hood to make it worth $120, esp when Vista is finally stable and efficient.
EDIT: quick point, I'm refering to what I want/need in windows and comparing to weather its worth spending the $ that can go towards other things I need to pay for, I will be getting 7 eventually, but as already pointed out being just Vista improved, I'm in no hurry to get it.

The difference is that it doesn't shit itself and explode every five minutes.

Whether or not the colors look prettier pales in comparison to the fact that Windows 7 works properly whereas Vista is lucky to be able to run ANYTHING properly

 

[GWarface]

XP will be a lovely memory when im 80 years old, telling my grandchildren about how pro and leet i was at their age...
It was a huge step from win98 to XP, but it is surely time to take the next step upwards..

Actually 2 steps upwards, Vista was a pile of shite.. Im glad i waited for win7 to come out before i bought the rig im on now...
Now we can only hope that win8 is going to be at least just as good..

 

[RicoADF]

7 is Vista, since I have Vista I don't see why I should waste $120 on the same thing, not like XP-Vista where there was a clear upgrade (abiet waiting till updates made it usable)

LoL, yeah, 7 is Vista. You must be a real IT Pro.

Going by what I've seen with my computer vs my laptop that has 7 I frankly am not seeing a major difference, yes theres meant to be improved system resources but frankly Vista works perfectly for me, its stable, doesn't have any resource issues and I play games without any issues. With Vista patched up their pretty close to being the same thing, minus some changes in UI and slight improvements under the hood which I don't see as $120 worth when both my machines work perfectly as is.
And technically they are the same, 7 is Vista but tweeked, its not as heavy a rebuild or change as Vista was for XP. It takes more than a UI and some tweeks under the hood to make it worth $120, esp when Vista is finally stable and efficient.
EDIT: quick point, I'm refering to what I want/need in windows and comparing to weather its worth spending the $ that can go towards other things I need to pay for, I will be getting 7 eventually, but as already pointed out being just Vista improved, I'm in no hurry to get it.

The difference is that it doesn't shit itself and explode every five minutes.

Whether or not the colors look prettier pales in comparison to the fact that Windows 7 works properly whereas Vista is lucky to be able to run ANYTHING properly

Vista has never 'shit itself', crashed or had any issues with games/programs for me. Are you sure your using it on a computer thats capable of running it? What version of Vista were you using, and with what software?

Reguardless of stability improvements, Windows 7 is still just Vista improved, even Microsoft admits its an incremental update, that being that it's the same OS but they've improved parts here and there and maybe changed the UI alil to look different but under the hood its mostly the same thing, that's what I was refering to being the same.

The fact you may have had issues with it doesn't mean Vista is shit and anyone that uses it is stupid, you may have just had a bad experience, and just as you have the right to use and like Win 7, I have the right to be happy with Vista, since anything that runs on 7 will run on Vista since their the same thing as far as the core system and programs are concerned.