Bavaria Rejects Dead Space 2 Rating

samsonguy920

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They think R18+ is too light because of Friendly Fire? They must hate Left 4 Dead and other multiplayer shooters.
Frankly I would say don't bother selling any more games in Germany but that country does have a strong gamer base. Maybe it is about time those German gamers got off their butts and told Bavaria where they could stick their prudishness after folding it down into very sharp corners.
 

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That's the kind of (abuse of) power that gives California wet dreams.
 

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The handheld version? -finger in collar- better now show them the console version apparently being 18 in Germany still isn't old enough to play big kid games
 

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Haha, rating boards and game ratings I understand. That makes sense, just so the consumer knows what they are buying for themselves or their kids. But to have an 18+ rating, and then deny the game for gore, friendly fire, whatever the exact reason, that is going too far. That is what America has to look forward to if people don't start nipping censorship in the bud.

mjc0961 said:
That's the kind of (abuse of) power that gives California wet dreams.
California and most of the federal government I presume.

9_6 said:
Yeah, my country is kinda full of shit when it comes to that.
Tax money well spent.
I don't even know who is to be "protected" by this.
It just pisses everyone off and the retarded offspring plays manhunt and watches hardcore porn anyway.

Also don't even try to make sense of this and why friendly fire is a factor. There is none to be found.
It is completely based on subjectivity aka utterly arbitrary.
I find that most censorship is completely arbitrary. This is what happens when people are allowed to tell other people what to do. It's never enough that the non-interested parties simply abstain from seeing or using the offending items, they have to block others for it as well.

One question though, this can't stop people from buying like an American version of the game can it?
 

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Rainboq said:
This is what people like Micheal Atkinson DREAM about.

We need to put a f*cking stop to this crap.
I'm sure he's got a big grin on his face while reading this article while laying on a lawn chair somewhere. Cocky even when his time has come to an end.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
previous test version of the game was turned down because players could injure each other with friendly fire in the multiplayer mode; the German version of the game will apparently have friendly fire removed.
Wow. I feel sorry for people stuck in countries with backwards systems like these. An idea though, we could get all the most controversial developers together to make a game so horrifically shocking that it kills the oversensitive old bastards making these ridiculous decisions.
 

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Two things:

1. Do not make the mistake of equating Bavaria with the rest of Germany.
They are REALLY different from any other state (for example, being ruled single-handedly by ONE monolithic conservative party for DECADES).
Every German I talked to so far reacted with vicious facepalming to this news.

2. It´s a publicity stunt.
The political party the minister who ordered this belongs to, has a lot of problems right now and is trying to stir up publicity and get attention.
The USK itself has actually calmed down significantly in recent years (having given the game a adults only rating and leaving in all the delicious, delicious dismemberment).


Edit: Forgot something.
The Bavarian government hasn´t "overruled" the USK. They can´t do that.
All they did was force the USK to take another look at the game. Taking Bavarian concerns into account.
This will do jack shit to the actual release, except delay it a bit.
And.... if you need help decoding German in the future, you can give me a call whenever you want. Then you won´t have to rely on the monstrosity that is google-translation...
 

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I think the Bavarian Ministry of Social Services are trying to tell us the game's a rental at best. How very financially responsible of you Bavaria, thanks!
 

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Seriously? If I was them, I'd just tell Germany to screw off and stop releasing violent games there.
Yeah great idea pull of the the richest and largest market in Europe. Its always a good idea to ignore 100 million potential customers.
 

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One thing is wrong in the article. Diablo 3 does not need to be censored. The last version they tested was just fine with 16+ and no censorship at all. And it's likely that'll be the same for the release version though that isn't set in stone of course.

Edit: And yeah the consorship going on is pretty ridiculous.
Hell there was The Dark Knight on TV some weeks ago. And in order to shorten it they also censored the "violent" (roflmao) parts which happened to be some of the most important. For example the "why so serious son" stuff got heavily cut x.x
 

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TheAmazingHobo said:
Two things:

1. Do not make the mistake of equating Bavaria with the rest of Germany.
They are REALLY different from any other state (for example, being ruled single-handedly by ONE monolithic conservative party for DECADES).
Every German I talked to so far reacted with vicious facepalming to this news.

2. It´s a publicity stunt.
The political party the minister who ordered this belongs to, has a lot of problems right now and is trying to stir up publicity and get attention.
The USK itself has actually calmed down significantly in recent years (having given the game a adults only rating and leaving in all the delicious, delicious dismemberment).


Edit: Forgot something.
The Bavarian government hasn´t "overruled" the USK. They can´t do that.
All they did was force the USK to take another look at the game. Taking Bavarian concerns into account.
This will do jack shit to the actual release, except delay it a bit.
And.... if you need help decoding German in the future, you can give me a call whenever you want. Then you won´t have to rely on the monstrosity that is google-translation...
Quoted for 110% of truth. Thank you, my dear countryman.

Seriously, guys, get your facts straight before you start railing against our country as a whole and demanding that we be excluded from the sale of certain games.
As for the delay this will most likely cause... meh. Unfortunate, yes, but not a deal-breaker.
 

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teqrevisited said:
Andy Chalk said:
previous test version of the game was turned down because players could injure each other with friendly fire in the multiplayer mode; the German version of the game will apparently have friendly fire removed.
Wow. I feel sorry for people stuck in countries with backwards systems like these. An idea though, we could get all the most controversial developers together to make a game so horrifically shocking that it kills the oversensitive old bastards making these ridiculous decisions.
What you have to understand, is that friendly fire was not taken out at random, there are hundreds of games where it was left in. It was taken out because it made it possible to dismember human beings (which is why the single player is no problem, seeing how you only dismember zombie-alien-monster.....stuff), something the USK takes umbrage with.

And it wouldn´t call it "backwards", it is just a certain way of handling games that contain violence. All in all, Germany has a much more progressive view of video games, if you contrast it with America or the UK. For example, from my experience, the notion of games as children toys is much less common over here.
And it is precisely because the German rating system is really strict, that whenever a nut-job wants to ban games, this is the typical reaction of the public:

/point
/laugh
/dance
 

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There's a PSP version? That's surprising...but pretty funky.

Better not let them see the console version.
 

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Another point on the looooooooong list why Bavaria needs to be thrown out of the federation.
 

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MolotoK said:
This is actually one of the more reasonable cases of censorship.
Even games like Team Fortress 2 or Counter Strike Source are censored in Germany. I even had to import Goldeneye 64 (yes, an N64 game!), because it was never released in Germany.

It's madness. We are allowed to drive 250km/h on the motorway, prostitution is legal, drinking age is 16, but adults are not allowed to play video games.
It is because videos games "are" harmful to your minds and children must be protected... You know...
Start up a physical protest front of their offices or something, that should wake them up... Or we would get some new amusing news how video games draw people violent and crazy...

Sorry, I am feeling bit asshole today...
 

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I'm from Germany and have read the source article referenced by the google translation.

Firstly, several tests of a game by the rating institution are normal. Nobody made any fuss when tests 2,3,4 and 5 where required. What is so special about this situation is that the intervention came from some bureaucratic process that normally doesn't interfere with it. According to EA, this is the first time it has happened after USK (the rating organisation) rated 30,000 games.

Secondly, as has already been remarked, this is just a call for reevaluation, not an automatic ban.

Thirdly, EA is pissed about the effect it has on the possible street day for the game. With marketing timing probably long fixed, it's bad if you have all marketing blitz in january but can't sell the game until a month later.

Generally about the censorship debate: Obviously, America with its emphasis on Free Speech is much less encumbered by such things as Germany and Australia, the poster boys for restricted/censored games. As someone pointed out, these are exactly the things America will encounter if the California game bill goes through.

But I can only smile at the "Stop selling there, it's their loss" postings. Companies go where the profit is. Of course they will fight any regulations that hinder them, but if there is profit, they will take it. That's true for game companies that change their games in Germany. If they don't, they won't be censored. Of course, they risk having to comply with the same mechanisms that prevents pornography coming into the hands of minors. That means common chains will not carry it, it's hard to get via mail order, etc. In other words, it will sell only so few copies that it isn't worth it.

Whereever there are media ratings that influence potential viewership, the media producers want a rating as low as possible. That's true in this case, but it is also true for every movie made in Hollywood for the American and international markets. Cuts are made, if necessary, to get the desire rating, in both cases.

Another effect one can see here is that different nations value things differently. Most importantly, developers/film makers from one country are usually well versed in the requirements for their own country, so will avoid on their own things which might bump up the rating, if they can find a similar way to express what they want. If you want to make sure the audience knows two people have sex, you can show that explicitly, or you can do that without any nudity, just with audio. If you want to make sure the audience knows two people are slashing each other open with knives, you can also directly show that, or use other means.

A German film might do the more explicite sex scene but the limited knife fight, while the American one would do it the other way around. Both would probably need a cut to retain their respective ratings. Obviously, with much more films/games going America --> Germany than the other way around, the German censorship becomes more obvious.