Bavarian Minister Says Games as Bad as Child Porn
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But...doesn't that defeat the purpose? Granted, Left 4 Dead probably wouldn't be a pun in German, but still.Pumpkin_Eater said:
Yes it would defeat the point. Titles are actually preserved when crossing the language barrier most of the time and most Germans speak pretty good English, so that's a bit of a middle finger to Valve.orannis62 said:
It must be getting close to elections in Bavaria, otherwise this nutter would never have likened games to illegal drugs and child porn.
I agree with the common sentiment that sociopaths are drawn to violent outlets, and I refuse to accept that violence in games causes killing in the real world.
I've played games with violence in them since I was 8 years old, and while I may have issues, I have NEVER come close to killing or even physically hurting another person.
Granted, Wasteland's violence wasn't the same as the violence in Wolfenstein 3D or even Doom, but it still had violence.
I agree with the common sentiment that sociopaths are drawn to violent outlets, and I refuse to accept that violence in games causes killing in the real world.
I've played games with violence in them since I was 8 years old, and while I may have issues, I have NEVER come close to killing or even physically hurting another person.
Granted, Wasteland's violence wasn't the same as the violence in Wolfenstein 3D or even Doom, but it still had violence.
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Exactly.theSovietConnection said:
I don't remember who suggested it, but I heard that almost all serial killers killed people while wearing pants. Pants must make you a serial killer, then, right?
So Hitler played some old school Pong before going on his Genocidal rampage? Darn! We shoulda known!
Don't you speak ill of violent video games and drugs, they never did anything as bad as child pornography!
Fucking German politician got his head on his seat and his ass working the mouth piece...
Fucking German politician got his head on his seat and his ass working the mouth piece...
dude, you are so correct ... this is now a qoute, my faviorate quote because damn you say that to any anti freakin videogame polition who says video games are destroy are youthes minds just say that and BAM! thay just gotta shut the hell up...good work man
Well remember that video games are a form of escapism, and ultimatly a fairly recent one on the world stage. People with unhappy lives are going to withdraw into anything whether it be books, music, or whatever else. Pretty much every form of escapism has been criticized at some point in time and connected to violence as a result. Science Fiction, Role Playing games, and music randing from old fashioned Rock and Roll to Heavy Metal have all been critiqued. "Oh my god, rockers are violent and anti-social. If it wasn't for their example this kid wouldn't have done those things and then comitted suicide". Trust me, we've heard it all before. Video games are relatively "new" to the mainstream where consoles are in nearly every home, so of course they form a conveinent target.
Generally speaking it's my opinion that people who go on shooting rampages are oftentimes mistreated for being odd, and try and quietly withdraw from society only to see it fail. There is a reason why spree killers are oftentimes labeled as smarter than average, quiet, white (the majority) men. People oftentimes don't consider the pressure that society as a whole (constant pressure from everyone as opposed to a specific person or cause) can put on a person. Also when you consider that the people in positions of authority are usually unsympathetic to say the least and side with the majority in most cases, people in this position oftentimes take matters into their own hands.
People do not wake up and decide "oh gee, I think I'll be really EEEVIL today". It usually comes about through an ongoing chain of events and logic. It's just that society in general does not want to change or adapt, and rather than carefully looking at what was happening and working to correct things as painful as it might be, it's easier to target whatever form of escapism the person in question was trying to partially retreat into to make their life better. What's more it's easier to say that someone is odd/nerdy/whatever BECAUSE of whatever they do, than it is to view things as the person just being that way and having had gravitated to whatever form of entertainment is in question.
I am not saying that I really support these shootings, but I do find it sad that in general society does not seem to get the message these people are sending. Pressure someone too much and they are going to "opt out" and take as many people with them as possible.
To use Columbine as an example notice that the "hit list" included people like Jocks. It was a selective action. Jocks being the guys who pick on nerds and wierdos, and get away with it. The school authorities rarely taking action on them for such things as it is both seen as a normal pecking order, and also Jocks are needed because by winning games even at a high school level they bring scholorships donated by local businesses into the school, along with money, donations for sports programs, and other things. It can hurt an entire school to apply the normal rules to a group of students that benefit it. Had the school authorities intervened appropriatly Columbine might have been averted, but instead people like to blame things like music by Marilyn Manson or whatever, rather than acknowlege the fault of everyone involved and change things accordingly as painful as it might be.
At any rate, what happens here can happen elsewhere, people are people. It's not surprising to see it happening in Bavaria. Also since we're talking Bavarians who generally seem to be a backwoods population, it's not surprising that they tend to bandwagon rather than coming up with new and original insights. No offense to them, but I don't think Bavaria is exactly the place that is ever going to go "eureka" and bring about international societal reform.
The Bavarian prime minster doing anything hardly impresses me with it's relevency (again no offense).
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Generally speaking it's my opinion that people who go on shooting rampages are oftentimes mistreated for being odd, and try and quietly withdraw from society only to see it fail. There is a reason why spree killers are oftentimes labeled as smarter than average, quiet, white (the majority) men. People oftentimes don't consider the pressure that society as a whole (constant pressure from everyone as opposed to a specific person or cause) can put on a person. Also when you consider that the people in positions of authority are usually unsympathetic to say the least and side with the majority in most cases, people in this position oftentimes take matters into their own hands.
People do not wake up and decide "oh gee, I think I'll be really EEEVIL today". It usually comes about through an ongoing chain of events and logic. It's just that society in general does not want to change or adapt, and rather than carefully looking at what was happening and working to correct things as painful as it might be, it's easier to target whatever form of escapism the person in question was trying to partially retreat into to make their life better. What's more it's easier to say that someone is odd/nerdy/whatever BECAUSE of whatever they do, than it is to view things as the person just being that way and having had gravitated to whatever form of entertainment is in question.
I am not saying that I really support these shootings, but I do find it sad that in general society does not seem to get the message these people are sending. Pressure someone too much and they are going to "opt out" and take as many people with them as possible.
To use Columbine as an example notice that the "hit list" included people like Jocks. It was a selective action. Jocks being the guys who pick on nerds and wierdos, and get away with it. The school authorities rarely taking action on them for such things as it is both seen as a normal pecking order, and also Jocks are needed because by winning games even at a high school level they bring scholorships donated by local businesses into the school, along with money, donations for sports programs, and other things. It can hurt an entire school to apply the normal rules to a group of students that benefit it. Had the school authorities intervened appropriatly Columbine might have been averted, but instead people like to blame things like music by Marilyn Manson or whatever, rather than acknowlege the fault of everyone involved and change things accordingly as painful as it might be.
At any rate, what happens here can happen elsewhere, people are people. It's not surprising to see it happening in Bavaria. Also since we're talking Bavarians who generally seem to be a backwoods population, it's not surprising that they tend to bandwagon rather than coming up with new and original insights. No offense to them, but I don't think Bavaria is exactly the place that is ever going to go "eureka" and bring about international societal reform.
The Bavarian prime minster doing anything hardly impresses me with it's relevency (again no offense).
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