Bethesda (Makers of such hits as Oblivion and Fallout 3) Says That WRPG's Are More Realistic Than JR
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The guy used words like "generalizing" and "overall", it's seems to me that he wasn't making a crazy claim. Both styles of games require a loss of realism, but comparitively JRPG's would seem to require it more so than WRPG's.
Doesn't really matter all that much to me personally, as I will not be playing any JRPG's, realistic or otherwise.
Actually, the most disturbing thing mentioned in the article, is at the tail end, they say he thinks Red Dead Redemption was a " great RPG". Now that's scary!
Doesn't really matter all that much to me personally, as I will not be playing any JRPG's, realistic or otherwise.
Actually, the most disturbing thing mentioned in the article, is at the tail end, they say he thinks Red Dead Redemption was a " great RPG". Now that's scary!
Oh I do get what you mean, most of my post was just a dig at imahobbit for calling people retarded while making some pretty stupid generalizations himself. I do understand how the classic fantasy genre can be seen as plausible in some regard, or at least make it easy to suspend your disbelief. But a lot of that is because of what we've come to accept in our myths. Most of JRPGs lack of realism is due to stylistic decisions, which really shouldn't factor as heavily as it does into people's perception of it.Thyunda said:
It's not necessarily that one is more realistic than the other, but that we've been conditioned to one form of myth which has been built upon and rationalized, so others seem strange. The biggest leap of plausibility in JRPGs is the existence of gods and the soul. Things like spirits and life-force can be attributed to parts of myths that we aren't nearly as accustomed to. I don't think the concept of higher power divinity or life-force (which is basically chi) is so bad. JRPGs may borrow from similar aspects of religion, but it's no less realistic for doing so.
The biggest difference is perspective, especially because JRPGs are so stylistically unique. WRPGs will often go out of their way to explain the world and the creatures, because westerners often prefer the illusion of science to style. You can scientifically explain how things in JRPGs work too, but they never go out of their way to explain it because it generally wouldn't fit the game. The illusion of science is what you're calling plausibility, it's like using techno babble in sci-fi. If the illusion works for you, great, that's not a bad thing and it means the game or genre has done a god job immersing you in the world. But understand that culture plays a huge role in our perception of choosing what's hypothetically realistic when talking about completely unreal worlds.
Although it would be sorta fair to say that since JRPGs have almost all the fantasy elements of WRPGs plus extra, they're more unrealistic by default due to quantity, though I don't really see it that way. I do get that WRPGs are meant to feel more grounded in reality though, but a lot of that comes from the medieval setting and bigger emphasis on society, economy, and environment within the games.
And they generally include humans or humanoids that try to look realistic or however they would look if they were real. The way I see it, Oblivion's gameplay is SOMEWHAT true to life, in terms of the combat and dungeon exploring. I don't remember the last JRPG I played that has gameplay in realtime, featuring visceral, almost simplistic combat of attacking and blocking, and a sense that enemies can see and hear you if you aren't sneaky enough. The last JRPG I played was like the last remnant and fucking everyone in that does backflips and has swords that shoot lasers.Phoenix_XIII said:
WRPGs have a base in realism (ES particularly), yes there are dragons and orcs but it's not several underage children wandering the world and fighting monsters with swords three times their height.
Look at The Witcher and remove all the fantasy tropes and you're left with a story and setting that could have existed sometime in medieval Europe. At the core of every WRPG there is somthing that ties it to the real world, not many JRPGs in my, limited, experience are like that.
Look at The Witcher and remove all the fantasy tropes and you're left with a story and setting that could have existed sometime in medieval Europe. At the core of every WRPG there is somthing that ties it to the real world, not many JRPGs in my, limited, experience are like that.
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The fuck?! Genetic mutations like this: http://cyberpunk1989.deviantart.com/art/Yao-Guai-131012549
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Nice try Western Gaming, you have just made yourself look like schmucks.
The fuck?! Genetic mutations like this: http://cyberpunk1989.deviantart.com/art/Yao-Guai-131012549
DO NOT OCCUR.
Nice try Western Gaming, you have just made yourself look like schmucks.
When I look at Oblivion and Fallout, I notice things like power armor, plate armor, helmets, things like that. Seeing as how bare skin isn't quite effective at stopping a huge sword from cutting you in half. Then I look at Lightning from Final Fantasy...
Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy X and 13, Monster Hunter. Thats 4. Possibly Legend of Dragoon depending on if you see the swords in that as huge. Theres also one that Unskippable did where two armies threw giant swords at each other like they were friggin javelins but I cant remember the name of it. Thats probably the perfect example.Maeshone said:
I've noticed that in Western RPGs like Fallout and Mass Effect. There is some attempt to back it up with some science. Like the stealth boy, "It generates a modulating field that transmits the reflected light from one side of an object to the other making the bearer almost invisible to the untrained eye." Or Element Zero in Mass Effect. In a JRPG, I hardly see an attempt at explaining how a girl with a teddy bear can own my entire party! (Chrono Cross)
That's Persona 3. I will admit it takes a visit to crazy town on Orca Boat 719 but the point is, it actually takes place in a actual real setting (not the town but the country) and takes a lot from real life. IT EVEN FORCES YOU TO LEARN THINGS.DigitalAtlas said:Persona.... Realistic....?Phoenix_XIII said:
Good sir, this is a game where a government issue billion dollar android is sent to high-school and falls in love with a guy who shoots himself in the head to summon monsters during his deepest nightmares.
Neither are realistic...It's a bit of a silly thing to say isn't it really, unless Bethesda have a cliff racer problem in the foyer of their building.
Todd Howard: 'Hey! That was my sandwich!!! I was looking forward to that! Damn cliff racers!' *shakes fist*
Todd Howard: 'Hey! That was my sandwich!!! I was looking forward to that! Damn cliff racers!' *shakes fist*
13 used normal sized swords for the most part. Om the parts where Lightning summons Odin she has a huge ass sword but that's a small frame of time to be counting. THat was for a summon and the rest of the time she uses a gunblade of normal size.Echo136 said:
I think this whole need to make video games "realistic" is what is destroying the industry. Rather than worrying about whether or not the physics behind your sword swings more closely mirrors real life than generic competitor B (This also goes for FPS as well), why not focus on making the game... I don't know... fun?Phoenix_XIII said:
>Chrono Cross takes place in a place with magic.Fizzly182 said:
>The girl with a Teddy Bear is skilled in magic.
>Those in a place where magic is power tend to want to master that power.
>Girl has probably trained in magic very hard. EDIT: Or is naturally gifted at magic.
>Girl owns team.
Not everything needs to be explained. Some things are supposed to be left up for you to think up. Thus, Braid.