Bioshock - Andrew Ryan Still Alive?

[Danpascooch]

Now if you haven't played Bioshock yet and plan to, then would you kindly go pick up the f--king game already? It's cheap now.

SPOILERS AHEAD

I think Andrew Ryan is still alive. Before you go and say "what about that f--king golf club you owned him with dumbass?!" hear me out.

The Vita-Chambers never left the testing phase, in that phase they only worked for people inside of Andrew Ryan's genetic ballpark (which would include you, and obviously, A. Ryan). Now when you are almost to his office he keeps saying he won't fight, that his weapon is intelligence. And I think that clever bastard was right. Think about it, you walk in, and he HANDS YOU THE DAMN GOLF CLUB AND ACTUALLY SAYS: "Kill Me!!!" why the hell would he do that?

I think it is because he knew he couldn't run without being hunted down, BUT, if he let you beat him to death, he could come back in a nearby vita chamber, and run the f--k out of there without anyone knowing he was still alive.

So why did he initiate the self destruct? Well, he knew you were about to kill him and disable it, that's why. It adds a level of desperation that makes everyone think he is down to his most desperate suicidal ideas when really he has a handy tube three rooms down standing by.

It makes sense.

Before you say: "You are over thinking it" remember how complicated this game's plot was, and the intricate fabric it wove with all of the audio diaries, I don't think this sort of forethought would be without reach of the Bioware Devs. at all. In fact, I think if Andrew Ryan does NOT come back, then they made a mistake, and it is a plot hole.

 

[hazabaza1]

Well, actually, the reason he told you to kill him was to show you that you are not a man, but a slave. A man listens, a slave obeys, as he said.

And aslo, what if Vita-chambers were turned off, hmmmmm? What them?

 

[WrongSprite]

What do you mean spoilers ahead? THERE'S A SPOILER IN THE FREAKING TITLE!

Gah. But yes, the rest makes sense.

 

[TheNumber1Zero]

This is true, but it wouldn't be the first time a fan (Seeing as you thought it out so well you are possibly a fan) has thought of something that the game creators didn't.

Won't be able to be sure until the next game, or the one after that.

 

[tiredinnuendo]

Spoilers below.

Andrew Ryan knew that you were his son, and he wanted you to be able to rise above your genetic programming. To be a man, not a slave. He believed it enough to stake his life on it and was wrong. The Vita-Chamber in his office is turned off, you can actually switch it back on after he dies.

So no, I'd say Ryan was dead. Otherwise that scene loses everything that made it good.

- J

 

[Kollega]

Yes, it makes sense. But considering that a SEQUEL to Bioshock (a prequel would be all right) does not connect well with the canon in general, it does not really matter.

The Vita-Chamber in his office is turned off, you can actually switch it back on after he dies.

What about the Vita-Chamber, oh, say, next door? This one could be just for show.

What do you mean spoilers ahead? THERE'S A SPOILER IN THE FREAKING TITLE!

Really? Isn't Ryan kind of a main villain - for the first part of a game, that is? I suppose everyone knows he dies, even those who did not play. It's the circumstances that contain the plot twist.

 

[Mr Wednesday]

What do you mean spoilers ahead? THERE'S A SPOILER IN THE FREAKING TITLE!

The man has a point.

Also, isn't there a vita chamber in the room with you, pointedly turned off. Ryan was having a moment of idealism, and died for it.

 

[Commander Jack Rankin]

No, Ryan is dead, end of story. His whole "lesson" to Jack, and argueably his entire belief system, would be undercut and ring hollow if Ryan knew he'd just pop back up again in a few seconds.

 

[BiscuitWheels]

Spoilers below.

Andrew Ryan knew that you were his son, and he wanted you to be able to rise above your genetic programming. To be a man, not a slave. He believed it enough to stake his life on it and was wrong. The Vita-Chamber in his office is turned off, you can actually switch it back on after he dies.

So no, I'd say Ryan was dead. Otherwise that scene loses everything that made it good.

- J

I got a completely different conclusion from that scene. Ryan knew you were there to kill him. He knew Atlas/ Fontaine was trying to take his Rapture. So he was going to destroy Rapture out of spite. And if he was going to die, it would be on his own terms. He died lording his genetic superiority over you. He died a man.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Dude, the vita-chamber in his office was deactivated. And I'm fairly certain that there's a time limit on how long use have to use it.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Thanks for the fucking spoiler in the title.

Jesus Christ man...

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

The vital chamber was off.

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew_Ryan

 

[Sentient6]

Well, technically, it's not the spoiler in the title. Because Ryan is not alive. And it's far from the biggest spoiler in the game (Fountaine, anyone?).

 

[Pandalisk]

Spoilers below.

Andrew Ryan knew that you were his son, and he wanted you to be able to rise above your genetic programming. To be a man, not a slave. He believed it enough to stake his life on it and was wrong. The Vita-Chamber in his office is turned off, you can actually switch it back on after he dies.

So no, I'd say Ryan was dead. Otherwise that scene loses everything that made it good.

- J

This, also one could say that with the fall of his city, he could not live in a world that he could not control and instead chose death, and its ironic that he could not do it himself when he did not hesistate to kill others but relied on jack to do it, but i think the idea at the top is right, he is dead, and gone, but apparently makes appearances in some form in the second game, through audio dairies and such i imagine

 

[Disaster Button]

Pretty sure the reason Ryan forced you to take his life is because he was making a point, that he made you and controls you and you're nothing more than his slave. This also stood true for his whole idealogy, that men choose and slaves obey.

Of course it could always turn out he is alive like you said because everyone is flawed and human, even giants like Andrew Ryan and maybe he didn't want to die, even to make his point.

 

[Jamface]

Even so, he TOLD you to kill him so surely you would still have to kill him as he would still be alive. But if you thought he was dead you wouldn't have to as you'd think you had completed the task...

To be perfectly honest, I don't care

 

[TetsuoKaneda]

Also, isn't there a vita chamber in the room with you, pointedly turned off. Ryan was having a moment of idealism, and died for it.

This.

If Ryan was still alive, it would make his final moments a lot less poignant and pretty much ruin the office sequence completely. All of the horror, all of the shock that you are beating this man to death because your programming commands it, would be lost. I, for one, like the sequence as is. Ryan trying to inspire you with idealism, only to be dashed to pieces.

 

[Lord_Panzer]

As much as I'd love him to not be dead, he's dead. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.