Yup, and you can thank that hack jerkhole Casey Hudson for that, since he had complete control over the ending of the game, this entire fiasco is his fault. How he managed to get in a postition to have total dominance of the reigns for the last 20 minutes of the game is beyond me. Blackmail on a certain high-up EA employee? Bah, whatever, he's a hack writer and I hope that he doesn't get any further work in this field for the rest of his life, one epic series' ending ruined by his "writing" is one more than was nessicary.WanderingFool said:
BioWare Announces Post-Ending DLC for Mass Effect 3 [Updated!]
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I hope it's made into a blatant over the top "rainbows and lollipops" affair.
I personally believe that creators editing their works completely away from their own initiative will only result in something worse than the original "offending" article.
If this was created because BioWare sat down post production and decided they could perform more justice I'd be behind this - as it stands I see this as a waste of time for everyone; developer and consumer alike.
I'll only be happy if this happens on par with my opening line.
I personally believe that creators editing their works completely away from their own initiative will only result in something worse than the original "offending" article.
If this was created because BioWare sat down post production and decided they could perform more justice I'd be behind this - as it stands I see this as a waste of time for everyone; developer and consumer alike.
I'll only be happy if this happens on par with my opening line.
I don't see how they can make sense of this terrible mess they have made...
I thought people wanted the ending to not suck, unless this DLC is amazing i don't really see it helping much.
I thought people wanted the ending to not suck, unless this DLC is amazing i don't really see it helping much.
Well, I dunno. I really only want three things from this epilogue:
1. A fix to the GLARING plot holes.
2. Some sort of closure to the story of Commander Shepherd and crew.
This last one is more of a personal, whiny gripe:
3. Some sort of epic, ending battle cutscene where your war assets duke it out with harbinger n' company.
I think I'll get number 2. I don't think I'll get number 1, and hoping for number 3 is a fool's quest.
Well, at least it's free.
In the meantime, back to beating the three games for all of the continuities I want to explore. ^_^
1. A fix to the GLARING plot holes.
2. Some sort of closure to the story of Commander Shepherd and crew.
This last one is more of a personal, whiny gripe:
3. Some sort of epic, ending battle cutscene where your war assets duke it out with harbinger n' company.
I think I'll get number 2. I don't think I'll get number 1, and hoping for number 3 is a fool's quest.
Well, at least it's free.
In the meantime, back to beating the three games for all of the continuities I want to explore. ^_^
You know, back in the days of Piccaso and Rembrant they made paintings for the rich and powerful. Guess what happened if said rich and powerful didn't like it? They had to redo it...This whole "artistic integrity" crap is a load of shit from people who know nothing of art history. Stuff like that still happens. Artists are hired to make a certain work, they have some leeway, but if the person hiring them is unhappy they will be forced to redo it or just not paid.
Anyone who makes their art with the intent of making money has to listen to those who they want to purchase it. Those artists give up much of their artistic integrity to make money, which is their choice. However, that choice is something they have to deal with. You cannot make a piece of art you intend to sell as a product and then say it is your artistic right to make whatever the fuck you want. If you want to make money you have to make sacrifices to make what the purchaser wants, not just what you want.
Anyone who makes their art with the intent of making money has to listen to those who they want to purchase it. Those artists give up much of their artistic integrity to make money, which is their choice. However, that choice is something they have to deal with. You cannot make a piece of art you intend to sell as a product and then say it is your artistic right to make whatever the fuck you want. If you want to make money you have to make sacrifices to make what the purchaser wants, not just what you want.
That... is something. Not everything I'd wished for, but I think I'll be ok. Doesn't make me give them standing ovations, but this way we'll be able to do business again in the future.
Not necessarily, we don't know if the planet is populated with life they can eat. So it might be possible that they won't starve, but the rest of the normandycrew.digital warrior said:
I find it hard to endow artistic credibility to a product that is play-tested, put through focus groups, has a huge advertising budget and published by EA. That said, I don't think changing the ending now is going to satisfy most people. What it will do is destroy any sense of "canon" the games might have. Ultimately, however, this is a minor issue to me as I found the story falling off on the series as it progressed.
Why is it that whenever I see the words 'Artistic Integrity', I immediately envision that guy in creative arts class who writes thinly veiled Mary Sue characters and claims that people just don't "get it". News flash; if your audience didn't get it, you didn't write it properly.
Here's another news flash; if you start a story as a team effort, you can't cut off the other contributers at the end; the story is bigger than one person at that point, and the lack of the other contributors' input will be plainly visible to anyone with half a brain.
To be fair, however, I do believe the indoctrination theory is truth. Not only does it fit better (and subsequently keep the ending from crossing the magic/tech barrier, which bothers me more as a fantasy/science fiction author), it also leaves them free to not change the endings as they are, and instead focus on adding the rest.
On a final note, there's no shame in changing an ending. None. I'm an author ... don't get me wrong, I'm no Terry Brooks, but I have some pride in my work. If I ended a book with as many plot holes as the ending of Mass Effect 3, my fans would have every right to demand a better ending ... and as a good author (well, I hope I am anyway), I would have a responsibility to fix it. When I share a story with the world, I am in essence inviting people to enter the universe I've created. At that point, it is everyone's story ... that is, for those who wish to experience it.
Well, I've blathered on for long enough. Here's hoping we get the ending(or endings) we deserve!
Here's another news flash; if you start a story as a team effort, you can't cut off the other contributers at the end; the story is bigger than one person at that point, and the lack of the other contributors' input will be plainly visible to anyone with half a brain.
To be fair, however, I do believe the indoctrination theory is truth. Not only does it fit better (and subsequently keep the ending from crossing the magic/tech barrier, which bothers me more as a fantasy/science fiction author), it also leaves them free to not change the endings as they are, and instead focus on adding the rest.
On a final note, there's no shame in changing an ending. None. I'm an author ... don't get me wrong, I'm no Terry Brooks, but I have some pride in my work. If I ended a book with as many plot holes as the ending of Mass Effect 3, my fans would have every right to demand a better ending ... and as a good author (well, I hope I am anyway), I would have a responsibility to fix it. When I share a story with the world, I am in essence inviting people to enter the universe I've created. At that point, it is everyone's story ... that is, for those who wish to experience it.
Well, I've blathered on for long enough. Here's hoping we get the ending(or endings) we deserve!
That was utterly excellent, really made my day. Thanks for linking it buddy.Mikeyfell said:
A playable epilogue? With Garrus Vakarian as the PC?Hitchmeister said:
I KEEP THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING!
But Seriously, Garrus effectively is paragade Shepard, if there would be any character that'd inherit Shepard's position as the new Mass Effect PC, it'd be him.
As someone else said, best of both worlds. People who liked the ending, get more information on something they already enjoyed. People who disliked the ending hopefully get more closure and will hopefully have less head exploding problems with what was presented. People who really hate the endings however...will probably never be happy.AMAZED said:
JUST LET ME ANNIHILATE HARBINGER PLEASE. I DONT CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. i wanna add him to my reaper bone count necklace... that and, maybe fix up some of the plotholes. ill be fine if i know that the species can travel back home wihtout the relays and if i know how joker n crew ended up where they were. thats all.
I'm willing to give Bioware a chance with this. I'm not going to judge it before hand and will try to avoid all spoilers regarding it so I can go in to it with a open mind. I was only disappointed with the endings rather than outraged like many other ME fans, so this post ending DLC has every chance of making things ok in my books.
If there is anyway to get Harbinger more involved then I hope they do it, he was the biggest omission in ME3 for me.
If there is anyway to get Harbinger more involved then I hope they do it, he was the biggest omission in ME3 for me.
mother *******
http://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/187946105097564160
I really wish they would stop teasing...
http://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/187946105097564160
I really wish they would stop teasing...
This is going to be terrible now every decent franchise that is not 100% awesome will have a group of "fans" shouting that the developers should change it.
So this is the end of days with thread after thread of people shouting they should have made a better game and hundreds of "retake" whatever all over the place.
So this is the end of days with thread after thread of people shouting they should have made a better game and hundreds of "retake" whatever all over the place.
It appears that once again the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Hope you fans are happy with yourselves for being the noisiest wheel of the industry. Not like there are any other more important things that need to be addressed.......
Aren't YOU an optimistic one? There are going to be even MORE threads about the ending when this comes out. I can only wonder how the nutjobs on the social forums will react to it.WanderingFool said: