BioWare Co-Founder: Consoles Are "The Past"

John Funk

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
Let me put this boldly Greg Zeschuk.

Ssaying that consoles are a thing of the past is a stupid idiotic thing to say.

Its almost like saying " hey i don't like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo i like apple instead yeah lets focus on apple that started off as a music player industry and what didn't start off as a gaming industry, thats the right way to focus our money on.

I can't begin to explain how much hate i have for Bioware and their retarded bullcrap flaunting statements around like they want attention.

And the focus on kids part yeah cheers bioware way to be supportive of other demographics in the market.. f*#"ing retards.
In all fairness, Nintendo started life as a playing card company.

To fail to acknowledge the rise of games on the iPhone/iPad/etc and mobile phone gaming is to be completely blindsided by consumer trends, and that's phenomenally stupid for a developer to do.
 

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Doug said:
Zing said:
You guys are acting like BioWare just make blanket statements to the press to incite controversy, he was just making a speech at a developer's conference. He also didn't say "Consoles are a thing of the past", just that there is a strong future in these other platforms as well as console.
Sadly, the Escapist staff do occasionally like to phrase things in a way designed to promote flame wars or the like.
people reading the article instead of skimming it would help too, headlines are to pull you in, i went in thinking it would be hating on consoles, which it really isnt, but that is what i expected and it is what a good headline is supposed to do.

when they talk about things being future and past they also talk about startup companies, innovation, R&D, thinking more in terms of 5-10 years. what most people here saw was though is "bioware guy says burn your consoles and get an Iphone"
 

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Wasnt there like a gaming platform called a 'Personal Computer'?
It could be upgraded in all ways and is very popular for all types of games, and they can even do normal office work and can search the internet....free of monthly subscription.(mostly).

What happened to those things, we even have laptops that can be mobile as well, along with 'macs' a computer for people that dont want the challenge of setting up a pc.

While pcs may be the past....they are much more complex and are constantly being re-vamped and only a few devs. are keeping it alive with games that are more for pcs and the console ports are dumbed down and made easier instead of backwards for console to pc.

(i am a pc elitest)
 

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Oh great, there goes Bioware. It was nice knowing you. Consoles are definitely not a thing of the past. They will remain the main gaming platforms until gaming PCs are the same price as a console and are more user friendly. PCs don't appeal to the average FPS demographic.
 

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Kragg said:
Doug said:
Zing said:
You guys are acting like BioWare just make blanket statements to the press to incite controversy, he was just making a speech at a developer's conference. He also didn't say "Consoles are a thing of the past", just that there is a strong future in these other platforms as well as console.
Sadly, the Escapist staff do occasionally like to phrase things in a way designed to promote flame wars or the like.
people reading the article instead of skimming it would help too, headlines are to pull you in, i went in thinking it would be hating on consoles, which it really isnt, but that is what i expected and it is what a good headline is supposed to do.

when they talk about things being future and past they also talk about startup companies, innovation, R&D, thinking more in terms of 5-10 years. what most people here saw was though is "bioware guy says burn your consoles and get an Iphone"
Indeedie - but I don't expect miracles, like everyone suddenly reading the news item in full before responding... I mean, that would take time for them to do! Can't have them wasting time reading when they could just be writing angry responses...

Anywho, indeedie - its their long term thinking he's on about, like you say - and the Mass Effect iPhone game wasn't bad, nor was the Flash game of DA they released before the game launched. Ok, they were hardly AAA games, but they were still fun enough in their own ways.
 

John Funk

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Zing said:
You guys are acting like BioWare just make blanket statements to the press to incite controversy, he was just making a speech at a developer's conference. He also didn't say "Consoles are a thing of the past", just that there is a strong future in these other platforms as well as console.

I happen to disagree on iphone/pads, their games are just awful. I have one game on my iphone I've had for a year now and that is Yahtzee. As long as BW and other developers continue creating quality games for consoles/PC I don't care what they do for the portable consoles.
s69-5 said:
Headline is misleading.

Anyway, wow Bioware, did you come up with that thought by yourself?
You know Square (those guys you bashed a couple months ago) have already touched on this and are a good distance ahead of you (like always). Better start running your mouth at them again!
"The future isn't necessarily on console. That's the past."

That's what he said. Direct quote is direct.
 

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When did Bioware start commenting on just about everything video game related? It seems that every other day we see a new news post saying that Bioware thinks this, or Bioware thinks that. Does anyone really care? I mean, Cliff Blezinski did the same thing like 6 months ago, but everyone just seemed to write him off as an attention whore. Is it just that reporters are focusing more on Bioware? What's up with all this?
 

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John Funk said:
"The future isn't necessarily on console. That's the past."

That's what he said. Direct quote is direct.
Followed up by "It's going to be a strong thing going forward".
 

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John Funk said:
Zing said:
You guys are acting like BioWare just make blanket statements to the press to incite controversy, he was just making a speech at a developer's conference. He also didn't say "Consoles are a thing of the past", just that there is a strong future in these other platforms as well as console.

I happen to disagree on iphone/pads, their games are just awful. I have one game on my iphone I've had for a year now and that is Yahtzee. As long as BW and other developers continue creating quality games for consoles/PC I don't care what they do for the portable consoles.
s69-5 said:
Headline is misleading.

Anyway, wow Bioware, did you come up with that thought by yourself?
You know Square (those guys you bashed a couple months ago) have already touched on this and are a good distance ahead of you (like always). Better start running your mouth at them again!
"The future isn't necessarily on console. That's the past."

That's what he said. Direct quote is direct.
yeah context is overrated right ;p
 

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It's unclear what he's trying to say here. That he's going to start producing games like Peggle or Phoenix Wright or Locoroco for the handhelds?

He says they are still going to keep doing what they are doing, but they are now going to "Explore." What exactly does this mean? Does this mean Bioware plans to try to make cheap games now? Cheap does not necessarily = bad, but I understand why they wouldn't want to say this outright.

I hate it when these guys are vague and mysterious and make sweeping statements like this. I wish these people would just talk straight instead of trying to cover their asses with hazy proclamations that have a horoscope quality of prediction just in case they are wrong about a trend or new technology.

Also, I think he is wrong. I will make a clear and concise prediction about gaming in the next five years and future of console and casual gaming.

Yes, the casual market is going to continue to grow. It's clear that the internet connected society has taken to these easy to play fun little games. But the problem is, as every game developer opens up a casual gaming branch, the competition for the casual gamers money will be huge. Casual games take much less R&D to develop.

Eventually, the market for casual games will mimic the regular gaming market, and the top tier companies will be the ones making the money while a ton of developers will get lost in the milieu of casual games, because the casual gaming market has a pool of money that is limited, just like the regular gaming market.

For him to say the console gaming market is dead, is saying that there is so much money in casual gaming that all developers will flock to it and will prefer to make money there instead of with the gamers who want a deeper experience in gaming. That may be true at first, but eventually developers will figure out that it is just as tricky to make a profit with casual games as it is with triple A titles when there is as much competition as that.

His whole argument depends on gamers like me deciding that it is so much more enjoyable to play a game like Plants vs Zombies than a game like Fallout, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Metro 2033, or hell, even Mario. I just don't see that happening.

His argument also depends upon casual gamers being ignorant of quality. I don't think that is the case either. They will decide which casual games are better just as much as gamers who play things like Oblivion know the difference between Oblivion and Two Worlds.

Although it's not inconceivable that the dedicated gaming console will one day vanish, it will not be casual games and handhelds that deliver the death blow.
 

Danpascooch

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STOP TALKING!

We all love your games, now stick your foot in your mouth before you alienate your fanbase!

First motion control, now this? JUST SHUT UP!
 

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meh, i wouldnt complain if consoles were over
Im getting tired of shooting down every console frat boy who thinks their console is better then my computer, even though they pay more for games, lower resolution, worse graphics, more complicated controls (cuz they need to fit 50 different commands on to the 2 nipples, an arrow pad, start, select, and the 4-10 other random buttons, and i can do other, useful stuff on my computer.
ok, it alone is cheaper short term the a computer that can beat it, but a computer (well, desktop) can be upgraded easily, cheaper games, more versitilty, better and more precise controls. The only true good reason iv heard for people likeing the console more (outside of pricing which iv already talked about) is the omni directional control, but if thats really the only thing, then just get a joystick, or usb controller.
 

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Bioware, It is getting harder and harder to stick with you guys. Cant you just calm the hell down with these press releases?
 

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Well... I don't know if I agree. I can see the economics of it; sell lots of cheap to produce $1-10 games on cheap/multifunction and/or portable platforms; instead of a few expensive to produce $60 games on $100-300 consoles.

That's not the BioWare I know, which is about making good games that become best-sellers, not heading out to make best-sellers.

Cue Scooby and the gang entering, pulling off his face, which is actually a mask, to reveal...

Bobby Kotick!

You sly bastard.

"And I would have gotten away with it too! If it wasn't for you meddling kids and that damn d-"

*Scooby bites throat and rips out*

"... *gurgle*"

Atta boy Scoob!

*Scooby snacks for all!*

Om nom nom
 

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And when the console dies, so does my gaming :(

Luckily, I have a nice backlog to work through for the next 30 years