BioWare Supports Beleaguered Writer

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I don't even understand any of this. Even after re-reading the article and reading a few pages of the comments, I still don't get it. I'm sure Bioware pretty much HAS to defend someone they employ because, well, if you didn't, that would not get you good publicity. It seems that some users don't like her because she wrote some parts of games that they didn't like. So...yeah. If you don't like, you don't like it! Sure, hate her if you want, but spamming her on her twitter and the like is NOT how you show what you think of her. As for myself, I don't even know what she did, and I loved Mass Effect and thought Dragon Age Origins was pretty good too.
 

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OniaPL said:
Andy Chalk said:
Tanakh said:
Andy Chalk said:
Why, then?
Yahtzee's column, some featured articles, Yahtzee's vids, lately Jim's vids, some friends i met through here, the comics and to post of forums in my freetime, in that order. I do dislike most of the editorial columnist here, but at least they are fun to talk to :D
I mean, why are you in my thread?
Can't one of you be the bigger man and let it go? This thread has sunk so low already.
I second this. Not cool seeing a professional journalist/columnist/whatever steep to their level. As for the poster...meh.
 

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I may not always agree with her or like her writing and I think it was bad idea of her to respond the way she did but the treatment she is getting is pathetic. Some people really need to get a life. If you?re going to hate the woman at least hate her for shit she actually said and did, if you have to invent and misrepresent things she said then you?re just showing how stupid and misplaced your hate was in first place.
 

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The internet you'll never find a bigger hive of scum and villainy

p.s she doesn't like playing games good thing she writes them and doesn't play them
 

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Spot1990 said:
Coldster said:
I'm sure Bioware pretty much HAS to defend someone they employ because, well, if you didn't, that would not get you good publicity.
No, they don't trust me. The fact that he did this shows he thinks she's in the right and is holding that above financial success. Basically most of us who are defending her could take her or leave her as a writer. She has plenty of rabid haters but no rabid fans. He'd please more people by throwing her under a bus. Remember Paul Christoforo? Yeah that's what happens when your employers think you're the one in the wrong. If they felt vitriol was justified Bioware would have thrown her to the wolves by now.
I had a feeling as soon as I saw you quote me I thought "oh shoot, he's going to bring up Ocean Marketing. XD". Anyways, yes I agree with you, but just like you said, I was trying to say that the "pros" outweighed the "cons" in her situation. They're going to make a decision, and that decision is theirs alone. Though, the internet's reaction could alter it. I don't know, this is just my thoughts on this. Like I said before, I don't understand this very well.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Walk into the middle of the Harry Potter fandom and say "So, Harry Potter's gay then?"
The fanfics do that enough as it is =|

OP: Someone took something out of context and blew it out of proportion? On the internet?! Why that is unheard of!
That is cool that BioWare big-wigs will support her though, I've always found BioWare to be more chill than other developers.
Now I am interested in what Muzyka is a doctor of...

Edit: a medical doctor, well that is interesting.
"I just completed 10+ years of schooling! I am going to make a game company now!" what...
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either" is a fucking EPIC zing, and I suspect that many of you are angry that she was able to lay it down so easily and effectively with a single line of text.
Now I'm going to preface this by saying that, of course, this mass spammage of Hepler's twitter with abuse is quite terrible, and those involved represent the absolute worst side of the internet (freaky porn not withstanding).

But, that is not an epic zing. I get more sex than you (even when creatively written) is the sort of immature jibe you expect from stereotypical frat boys. Not a professional writer. What's next, a 'your mum' joke?

Also there's the whole 'don't feed the trolls' argument, but I can't imagine it made that much of a difference, they were already being about as scummy as scum can manage so she may as well have flung some faeces back at the screeching monkeys.
 

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Spot1990 said:
Haha, put a bunch of theoretical scientits on a building for 50-60 years with tenure and students to make (part of) their work and let the soap opera drama flow!! Melrose place and dawsons creeck (or whatever the soap opera is this days) can suck the balls of the sience departments and institutes (for some reason they don't show this fully in Big Bang Theory).

But the parts that she want to skip are the playing parts! If i understand her right she would much rather read a book with the narrative of lets say mass effect than play mass effect, which is up to her, but saying that in a videogame interview when you work for a videogame dev is a very naive move at best.

C'mon mate, you dont dislike reading the sports section every freaking day? Not even a little?

Also, mind posting or PMing a list of which newspapers you read aaaand (beggar with a shotgun) a small description of it? Pleaaaaaaase? Pretty please with sunday on top?
 

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Spot1990 said:
But isn't looking at a book without understanding it even less than watching a let's play? That is at the heart of my argument, if you think that the answer is no, well, I disagree, but your assesment of videogames being the only media that in some games doen't let you even peek after you bought the content would be right.
 

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Spot1990 said:
Remember Paul Christoforo? Yeah that's what happens when your employers think you're the one in the wrong. If they felt vitriol was justified Bioware would have thrown her to the wolves by now.
Yeah, but the case is very different. Paul was an outsourced individual that picked a fight with penny arcade, this is a person in senior status inside the (arguably) most important section of Bioware wich did herself a disservice with an interview and trolling with the mindless hordes of the net.

In the first case by firing him you at most have to pay a small breach of contract (not even then if your layer is good), in the second you lose face to customers and create a paranoid ambient in a key part of your company. I do think what Bioware did was the best he could have at that moment for the sake of Bioware, i also think it was the right thing to do, but that's tangent.
 

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Let's face it. Saying in a interview that she hates the gameplay of the video games (hates the video games overral actually) wasn't the smartest move a person in the industry could've made, even not being an actual developer.
That doesn't excuse people from acting like complete immature bullies. There is never an excuse for that. I don't care if her writing was bad or good. What is important is her devotion to her job, and considering she is still there and her boss is standing up for her, I would say she deserves recognition regardless of her what she enjoys outside of her work.
As far as I am concerned, those people who acted out against her are no better than racists and bigots.
Search where I said that what she did gave permission to reddit mess with her.

Did you?

Good.

Now search where I said she was a bad writer, she was or wasn't devouted to her job, if she achieved or not the objectives in her work.

Good.

Now search where I said reddit claims and accusations are legit, or actually back up those claims and said I shared their view

Great.

Feeling a bit bad for all this finger pointing, aren't you?

All I did was post something that happened, and a opinion of mine. Hell, most people would agree with what I said, if this was taken off this context.

"Hey, I got a friend working in the video game industry!"

"Holy shit, that's cool! What she does?"

"She's the writer of a pretty big company. Unfortunaly, she's not really into videogames, only into writing."

Let me give you a few options of possibles answer, you and point to me the one you think it's more plausible:

Option 1:

"Really? Why she doesn't just write books/stories/novels then?"

Option 2:

"Oh, can't be happy with everything."

Option 3:

"Maybe she likes writing for videogames instead of novels".

I, sincerely, would pick option 1. I bet most of people would too.


Spot1990 said:
Agente L said:
Let's face it. Saying in a interview that she hates the gameplay of the video games (hates the video games overral actually) wasn't the smartest move a person in the industry could've made, even not being an actual developer.
She never once said that. So you have just lost any credibility you may have had in this thread by the simple fact you don't know the first thing about the topic at hand.

"What is your least favorite thing about working in the industry?


Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games. While I enjoy the interactive aspects of gaming, if a game doesn't have a good story, it's very hard for me to get interested in playing it. Similarly, I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life. This makes it very difficult for me to play to the myriad games I really should be keeping up on as our competition."
Unfortunaly, the original site which the interview was posted (and the interview itself) was taken down for some reason, so here's the time machine link of it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061108014116/http://www.killerbetties.com/killer_women_jennifer_hepler?page=0%2C1

Page 2, 4th question from top to bottom.


Seems like I didn't lost any credibility, and you ended looking silly at the end of it.
 

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draythefingerless said:
OniaPL said:
Can't one of you be the bigger man and let it go? This thread has sunk so low already.
I second this. Not cool seeing a professional journalist/columnist/whatever steep to their level. As for the poster...meh.
Do I get a cookie? Also, just meh? My heart is broken :'(
 

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Tanakh said:
draythefingerless said:
OniaPL said:
Can't one of you be the bigger man and let it go? This thread has sunk so low already.
I second this. Not cool seeing a professional journalist/columnist/whatever steep to their level. As for the poster...meh.
Do I get a cookie? Also, just meh? My heart is broken :'(
thats what i meant at least.
 

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Good on them, I really appreciate Bioware doing that for Hepler.

I may be just be crazy, but I really don't see why she's getting so much flak over this.
i think its the whole letting people skip action sequences thing. it probably is hitting that gamer nerve that reacts to anything that may "dumb down" or "over simplify" games.
though i kinda like the idea, it certainly helped me get through LA noire (i got stuck on the rooftop gunman bit, went back and beat it later but at the time it just bugged the hell outta me)