Blizzard Cuts Off World of Warcraft in Iran

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Blizzard Cuts Off World of Warcraft in Iran


World of Warcraft players in Iran have been left high and dry by U.S. trade sanctions.

Complaints began to pour into the World of Warcraft forums last week from Iranian gamers who, for reasons unknown, could no longer access Blizzard's ultra-popular MMO. The first complainant [http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5168067998?page=1] said he couldn't connect to either WoW or Battle.net unless he used a VPN, and hundreds of others soon chimed in with the same complaint. It was quickly suggested that the Iranian government had blocked the Battle.net IPs, but another user pointed out that the Iranian internet filter leads to a separate page explaining why websites are blocked, which wasn't happening in this case.

It took awhile for Blizzard to get involved - three days and 97 pages, to be precise - but it did eventually weigh in, saying that while it can't comment on what the Iranian government may or may not be up to, the recent loss of service in Iran is actually Blizzard's responsibility, as it takes steps to ensure that it's in compliance with U.S. trade sanctions against the country.

"What we can tell you is that United States trade restrictions and economic sanction laws prohibit Blizzard from doing business with residents of certain nations, including Iran. Several of you have seen and cited the text in the Terms of Use which relates to these government-imposed sanctions," a Blizzard rep wrote. "This week, Blizzard tightened up its procedures to ensure compliance with these laws, and players connecting from the affected nations are restricted from access to Blizzard games and services."

Unfortunately, those sanctions also mean that Blizzard can't even offer refunds, credits or anything else to gamers in "affected countries" - they're just cut off and hosed. "We apologize for any inconvenience this causes and will happily lift these restrictions as soon as U.S. law allows," the rep added.

It may seem like a crappy thing to do, but if Blizzard really is at risk of violating U.S. sanctions against Iran, it has no choice but to act. The penalties for violating trade sanctions are severe: According to Mahmoud Reza Banki [http://www.ecustoms.com/compliance_solutions/ofac_iransanctions.cfm] was fined $3.4 million and sentenced to 2.5 years in prison for receiving money from his family in Iran, which he had voluntarily declared to the IRS but for which he did not have the proper exemptions; the case was eventually thrown out on appeal but not until Banki had served 22 months in jail. In other words, this is not something Blizzard can afford to screw around with.

Source: Battle.net [http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5168067998?page=97#1933]


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Agente L

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I wonder how many people will misread the article and hate on blizzard for this. When it's obviously not their fault.
 

Andy Chalk

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I don't know why, but I was thinking about Arrested Development, but with Blizzard and World of Warcraft.
 

Hero in a half shell

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No Escapist, they didn't say they cut services of people from Iran, it was people that used to be a man.


Also that's completely unfair that they can't offer refunds, trade restrictions or not, surely there are international trade laws for fair service that trump "We can't give your country money because our government says so"... and if there aren't then I've just thought of a way to clear all my countries debts. Hold on, I've got to phone the Prime minister.
 

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Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
 

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This is dumb. You'd think that spending time killing monsters together with people from another country would make you more sympathetic towards them. What happened to American media indoctrinating foreign populations!?
 

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This is dumb. You'd think that spending time killing monsters together with people from another country would make you more sympathetic towards them. What happened to American media indoctrinating foreign populations!?
Guess there's not enough political advertising space in WoW.

Anyway sucks to be a Blizzard customer in Iran. Lucky for me I neither live there or play WoW, so it's not like I care much :)
 

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But, you see people, America says it's wrong, and America IS international law. Those fucking punks who claim to be 'players' should have thought about it before they committed the crime of being born fucking Iranian. Godless bastards should have been born American like REAL people.
 

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well, the up side is, they didn't loose anything of value, >.> wish they'd shut WoW down every where ....
 

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I'm rather disturbed by how much control the state has over business in the US.
Luckily I live in the UK where no one gives a shit about what our government is currently doing. Watching the political news unravel in this country is like watching a hilarious train wreck get worse and worse as more trains slam into it because everyone is laughing too hard to close the line down.
 

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Blizz Boss: Well, I guess it's time we followed the law and stopped providing sevice to Iran.
Blizz Employee: Sir, should we refund them first and THEN stop providing the service?
Blizz Boss: Hmmmm, I'd rather not...

Seriously, if you're being lax on the law already, might as well refund them before you tighten your belt. Shitty man, real fucking shitty.
 

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Ah! yes! Blizzard's old "take your money and the block your access" trick. I dont blames Blizzard for the trade sanctions but by the sounds of thing they took the monthly fee knowing that they would be cutting the service. That is wrong in my book.
 

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I extend my most sincere condolences to all Iranian WoW player, but look on the bright side, now you can have a start having a life...
 

Andy Chalk

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dagens24 said:
Blizz Boss: Well, I guess it's time we followed the law and stopped providing sevice to Iran.
Blizz Employee: Sir, should we refund them first and THEN stop providing the service?
Blizz Boss: Hmmmm, I'd rather not...

Seriously, if you're being lax on the law already, might as well refund them before you tighten your belt. Shitty man, real fucking shitty.
They probably didn't because that wouldd require paperwork that could be traced. While it would be the better thing to do, with a lot of American attention being on Iran the corporate side would rather be sure they don't lose money than perform respectable business practices.
 

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Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.

GenGenners said:
I'm rather disturbed by how much control the state has over business in the US.
Luckily I live in the UK where no one gives a shit about what our government is currently doing. Watching the political news unravel in this country is like watching a hilarious train wreck get worse and worse as more trains slam into it because everyone is laughing too hard to close the line down.
It's pretty bad in the US, but we're not exactly much better here though, lets face it.


Anyway, game related now, it's pretty shitty of Blizzard to not do ANYTHING to compensate their customers.
But that really is pretty minor compared to the larger scale problem here.
I wonder how many weeks until the US and Israeli governments get their war and start committing genocide on the Iranian people?
 

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I am sorry but I see the solution in the complaint.

"I can only play if I use a proxy server." Well, seems like there is no way to play now. /sarcasm.
 

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Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
This (or something like this) was going to be my point as well. When I clicked the article, I wasn't wondering "What'd that bag of dicks over at Blizzard do this time?" But rather I was wondering "Wait....people in Iran actually play WoW?" I know it's still a very popular game world-wide, but with all the sanctions and issues from Iran's own government, I was quite surprised to hear that there's WoW players over there.

Really I do wonder how many people were affected by this.
 

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It's sadly not shitty of Blizz to offer refunds or compensation, it's doing what they can to not have the whole company sent to court.

It's heartily crappy for Iranian players, but let's face it, it's not the first time the regular people have been the ones to suffer because the dicks sat at the top have decided to upgrade their dick potential.

TBH, being cut off from WOW is at least preferable to having bits cut off.

A rather dishonest headline in a way, but then would 'US business laws cut off access to WOW in Iran' have the same pull?

A faintly similar thing happend this weekend, (only in terms of blame, I hasten to add, I'm in no way saying the lack of access is like living in Iran.) where there were massive internet outages, tracked down to a certain piece of cable, which blew out all access to battle net and their games for, among others, many UK players.

It was an ISP and infrastructure issue, but nevertheless, Blizz's forums and twitter were flooded with 'FU BLIZZ DO SOMETHING RAWR RAAAGE!' and'I am quitting, blizz obviously don't care, they're not doing anything and haven't even provided an ETA for a fix!', when they'd stated it wasn't under their control.

I understand big corporations are often evil when it comes to chasing the dollar at the expense of the customer, but it doesn't follow that we can pin everything on them.
 

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Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
 

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Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
 

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What the heck is this nonsense? The U.S. government ought to showing appreciation for Blizzard, not denying them business. We want Iranians exposed to the products of American culture, not cut off. I really hope Blizzard can get this appealed and resume connections, or at least get permission to refund their customers.
 

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GenGenners said:
I'm rather disturbed by how much control the state has over business in the US.
Luckily I live in the UK where no one gives a shit about what our government is currently doing. Watching the political news unravel in this country is like watching a hilarious train wreck get worse and worse as more trains slam into it because everyone is laughing too hard to close the line down.
It's not as much as you think, the US doesn't control who makes trade agreements with who, but it does dictate when you can't trade with someone. Trade embargoes are an important part of US foreign policy. I should also note that engaging in trade with a country we are currently at war with is an act of treason, though we aren't currently at war with Iran.

I don't see a problem with the US cutting trade in Iran, mostly because of their current world standing and their outright refusal to play ball. You don't want to talk to America? Well you don't get American trade now.
 

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Hmmm. US? USSR? I don't really see the difference anymore.
Well, for one, they have cooler accents. For another, way cooler uniforms. But we've got John Marston. So nyah.

To the article at hand, it is a somewhat misleading title. Blizzard didn't cut off players in Iran as much as Blizzard had to comply with U.S. law.

So does that mean players in Cuba are hosed too? C'est la guerre...
 

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llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
I've spent much more than a year on message boards, and no I don't think residency necessarily makes me an expert.

I think my years of academic study and the time I've spent there make me qualified to state whether or not it is common to have high speed internet in the region.
 

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Jhooud said:
John the Gamer said:
Hmmm. US? USSR? I don't really see the difference anymore.
Well, for one, they have cooler accents. For another, way cooler uniforms. But we've got John Marston. So nyah.

To the article at hand, it is a somewhat misleading title. Blizzard didn't cut off players in Iran as much as Blizzard had to comply with U.S. law.

So does that mean players in Cuba are hosed too? C'est la guerre...
Actually I do believe the trade embargo with cuba is over.
 

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dagens24 said:
Blizz Boss: Well, I guess it's time we followed the law and stopped providing sevice to Iran.
Blizz Employee: Sir, should we refund them first and THEN stop providing the service?
Blizz Boss: Hmmmm, I'd rather not...

Seriously, if you're being lax on the law already, might as well refund them before you tighten your belt. Shitty man, real fucking shitty.
Its highly likely that either a higher up or a policy mook at Acta-bliz only recently saw that they were violating trade sanctions, crapped their pants and pulled the plug as fast as they could. Plus giving refunds would also be a violation of trade laws, which might have been called out. What Blizzard SHOULD have done, aside from pulling the plug would be to have a little pop-up saying to users with Iranian IP addresses why their service was cut off.
AngryMongoose said:
But, you see people, America says it's wrong, and America IS international law. Those fucking punks who claim to be 'players' should have thought about it before they committed the crime of being born fucking Iranian. Godless bastards should have been born American like REAL people.
Considering their corporate offices and central servers are in the US, they have to comply.
 

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daibakuha said:
Jhooud said:
John the Gamer said:
Hmmm. US? USSR? I don't really see the difference anymore.
Well, for one, they have cooler accents. For another, way cooler uniforms. But we've got John Marston. So nyah.

To the article at hand, it is a somewhat misleading title. Blizzard didn't cut off players in Iran as much as Blizzard had to comply with U.S. law.

So does that mean players in Cuba are hosed too? C'est la guerre...
Actually I do believe the trade embargo with cuba is over.
Less over, more slowly being relaxed.
 

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Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
I've spent much more than a year on message boards, and no I don't think residency necessarily makes me an expert.

I think my years of academic study and the time I've spent there make me qualified to state whether or not it is common to have high speed internet in the region.
a) I said this message board,
b) I was referring to the portion in which you claimed 5 people in an entire country had heard of a popular American video game, and
c) I tend to antagonize anyone who makes blanket statements about entire populations, regardless of their nation of residence.
Bonus: WoW is playable, if problematic in areas, on a dial-up connection.
 

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I would have thought it was already banned in Iran.

Anyway, I cannot in any way fathom how World of Warcraft subscriptions would effect the Iranian economy in any positive way.
 

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llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
I've spent much more than a year on message boards, and no I don't think residency necessarily makes me an expert.

I think my years of academic study and the time I've spent there make me qualified to state whether or not it is common to have high speed internet in the region.
a) I said this message board,
b) I was referring to the portion in which you claimed 5 people in an entire country had heard of a popular American video game, and
c) I tend to antagonize anyone who makes blanket statements about entire populations, regardless of their nation of residence.
Bonus: WoW is playable, if problematic in areas, on a dial-up connection.
It was clear from the context of my post that I didn't mean there were literally 5 people. I was employing hyperbole.

I'm not generalizing by saying high speed internet is very difficult to access in the area, it's just a fact.

Our definitions of "playable" are likely very different.

It's not wise to arbitrarily antagonize the Community Manager.
 

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ITT person taking themself too seriously.

in other news: this just in. Iran in flames/mobs everywhar!
 

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Andy Chalk said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Nice misleading title you got there.
What's misleading?
The title is misleading.
Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
I've spent much more than a year on message boards, and no I don't think residency necessarily makes me an expert.

I think my years of academic study and the time I've spent there make me qualified to state whether or not it is common to have high speed internet in the region.
a) I said this message board,
b) I was referring to the portion in which you claimed 5 people in an entire country had heard of a popular American video game, and
c) I tend to antagonize anyone who makes blanket statements about entire populations, regardless of their nation of residence.
Bonus: WoW is playable, if problematic in areas, on a dial-up connection.
It was clear from the context of my post that I didn't mean there were literally 5 people. I was employing hyperbole.

I'm not generalizing by saying high speed internet is very difficult to access in the area, it's just a fact.

Our definitions of "playable" are likely very different.

It's not wise to arbitrarily antagonize the Community Manager.
I'd suggest it wasn't arbitrary at all.
 

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Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
llafnwod said:
Nasrin said:
Canadish said:
Nasrin said:
Man, that really sucks for the 5 guys in Iran that have both heard of WoW and can afford enough bandwidth to run it. FYI most people in Iran still use dial up, and that's the ones that are well off enough to even have a computer in the first place.
I think you've been watching too many American "news" programs my good sir.

They actually don't all live in huts in the desert, despite what they like to show you on the tv.
I'm a lady, and an Iranian citizen. Please don't try to tell me about my own culture.
I like that you've spent over a year on a primarily American message board and think being a resident of a nation makes you an expert on its culture.
I've spent much more than a year on message boards, and no I don't think residency necessarily makes me an expert.

I think my years of academic study and the time I've spent there make me qualified to state whether or not it is common to have high speed internet in the region.
a) I said this message board,
b) I was referring to the portion in which you claimed 5 people in an entire country had heard of a popular American video game, and
c) I tend to antagonize anyone who makes blanket statements about entire populations, regardless of their nation of residence.
Bonus: WoW is playable, if problematic in areas, on a dial-up connection.
It was clear from the context of my post that I didn't mean there were literally 5 people. I was employing hyperbole.

I'm not generalizing by saying high speed internet is very difficult to access in the area, it's just a fact.

Our definitions of "playable" are likely very different.

It's not wise to arbitrarily antagonize the Community Manager.
I made it pretty explicit that my antagonism was not arbitrary. I am aware that you were employing hyperbole. I am confused as to why someone who has, as you have said, spent time in and years of academic study on a country, and therefore likely has a modicum of respect for its people, would add to the stream of voices dismissing it as backwards without context or qualification.

We've had two wars with adjacent countries in that region that went through basically because people don't give a shit about foreigners. Dismissal breeds disinterest, disinterest contempt, and contempt means no-one speaks up when congress decides its campaign contributions from TRW need ramping up and goes to war again. Which means my government spends money it doesn't have (read: a great deal more of my money, in the future) to kill people I don't want dead.

I am aware that you, personally, may have meant it only in jest. I am also aware that your comments won't start a war and mine won't prevent one. I'm just saying have a fucking care what you say, because I know you don't want to be a part of the problem.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
SextusMaximus said:
The title is misleading.
Sorry I wasn't clear. How is it misleading?
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just people being obnoxious. The title says Blizzard cut Iran off from World of Warcraft, which is what happened. People are just being pissy that they did it under pressure from trade sanctions. They'd probably prefer you to be more politically radical and blame the American Government for the trade sanctions.
 

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AngryMongoose said:
But, you see people, America says it's wrong, and America IS international law. Those fucking punks who claim to be 'players' should have thought about it before they committed the crime of being born fucking Iranian. Godless bastards should have been born American like REAL people.
I agree to the point you're making. Also it is pretty absurd to have a law that doesn't allow trade with certain specified countries.
And they can't even get refunds because of that, too. how absurd.
But hey, that's the war-hungry (and always ridiculous) US politics, I guess.

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Well that kinda sucks for those guys who lost it. While I understand why blizzard did it, still doesn't seem even close to fair.
 

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So Diablo 3 and Starcraft will also be unplayable from Iran, correct?
 

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AngryMongoose said:
But, you see people, America says it's wrong, and America IS international law. Those fucking punks who claim to be 'players' should have thought about it before they committed the crime of being born fucking Iranian. Godless bastards should have been born American like REAL people.
See also: Australia, Canada, India, Isreal, Japan, South Korea, Switzerland and the European Union who all also employ varying degrees of sanctions against Iran.
 

Andy Chalk

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Tippy said:
So Diablo 3 and Starcraft will also be unplayable from Iran, correct?
That's probably correct. If Blizzard cut out World of Warcraft and the Iranian people couldn't connect to battle.net then all of Blizzards products (that require battle.net) are not able to be played. I imagine the older Warcraft games can be played, but not online because that'd require connecting to battle.net.
 

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Kheapathic said:
Andy Chalk said:
SextusMaximus said:
The title is misleading.
Sorry I wasn't clear. How is it misleading?
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just people being obnoxious. The title says Blizzard cut Iran off from World of Warcraft, which is what happened. People are just being pissy that they did it under pressure from trade sanctions. They'd probably prefer you to be more politically radical and blame the American Government for the trade sanctions.
Chill out bro, the title suggests that it's Blizzard's fault, leading people to believe that Blizzard are in the wrong which may cause a severe case of premature unbdeserved arseholery in the thread, which could be avoided.
 

Andy Chalk

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SextusMaximus said:
Kheapathic said:
Andy Chalk said:
SextusMaximus said:
The title is misleading.
Sorry I wasn't clear. How is it misleading?
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just people being obnoxious. The title says Blizzard cut Iran off from World of Warcraft, which is what happened. People are just being pissy that they did it under pressure from trade sanctions. They'd probably prefer you to be more politically radical and blame the American Government for the trade sanctions.
Chill out bro, the title suggests that it's Blizzard's fault, leading people to believe that Blizzard are in the wrong which may cause a severe case of premature unbdeserved arseholery in the thread, which could be avoided.
It doesn't suggest that it's Blizzards fault, it says exactly what happened; Blizzard cut off access to World of Warcraft to people in Iran. A headline is there to grab someone's attention while the body of the article is there to fill in the information. The headline is not wrong, misleading, or anything else. Any premature asshattery can be ignored because it'd be obvious they didn't read the whole article. Claiming the headling is misleading is silly, even if it was their decision or from pressure of the economic sanction the fact is Blizzard cuts off Iranian players.
 

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On the bright side, it's both hilarious and a joy that Iranian players can just hop on a VPN and carry on playing with a big ol' FU to American/Iranian politics :)

It's no wonder Both America and Europe just keep on bringing in new bills trying to get control over the internet, when it will just keep allowing people freedoms that those in power don't like.

I'm total favour of them bypassing the trade sanctions too, as it wasn't the players who caused it, and it WAS the players who paid for it.

Because, as ever, SOPA/PIPA/ACTA and whatever they're naming it this month to try to sneak it into law, it's not about piracy, it's not about business, it's about locking down control on the last bastion of freedom that is the internet.
 

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Kheapathic said:
SextusMaximus said:
Kheapathic said:
Andy Chalk said:
SextusMaximus said:
The title is misleading.
Sorry I wasn't clear. How is it misleading?
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just people being obnoxious. The title says Blizzard cut Iran off from World of Warcraft, which is what happened. People are just being pissy that they did it under pressure from trade sanctions. They'd probably prefer you to be more politically radical and blame the American Government for the trade sanctions.
Chill out bro, the title suggests that it's Blizzard's fault, leading people to believe that Blizzard are in the wrong which may cause a severe case of premature unbdeserved arseholery in the thread, which could be avoided.
It doesn't suggest that it's Blizzards fault, it says exactly what happened; Blizzard cut off access to World of Warcraft to people in Iran. A headline is there to grab someone's attention while the body of the article is there to fill in the information. The headline is not wrong, misleading, or anything else. Any premature asshattery can be ignored because it'd be obvious they didn't read the whole article. Claiming the headling is misleading is silly, even if it was their decision or from pressure of the economic sanction the fact is Blizzard cuts off Iranian players.
It is misleading, in the same way that an article titled "Celine Dion has a period EVERY MONTH!" is misleading. It is factually accurate, but the specific subject implies unique or unusual behavior when none exists. From the title alone it is reasonable to assume that Blizzard alone cut off WoW access in Iran for reasons of its own, whereas the actual situation is "U.S.-based company cuts off service to country under U.S. trade sanctions". I don't believe that the OP intentionally made the title misleading or sensational, but concatenating " Due to Sanctions" to the title would have avoided confusion.
 

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llafnwod said:
It is misleading, in the same way that an article titled "Celine Dion has a period EVERY MONTH!" is misleading. It is factually accurate, but the specific subject implies unique or unusual behavior when none exists...
Bolded part please... If any part of your argument is false, your entire argument is false. It is factually accurate, any insinuation of wrong doing is on the part of the reader and it falls on them to read the article to understand what happened.
 

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Kheapathic said:
llafnwod said:
It is misleading, in the same way that an article titled "Celine Dion has a period EVERY MONTH!" is misleading. It is factually accurate, but the specific subject implies unique or unusual behavior when none exists...
Bolded part please... If any part of your argument is false, your entire argument is false. It is factually accurate, any insinuation of wrong doing is on the part of the reader and it falls on them to read the article to understand what happened.
If you are honestly taking the position that it is impossible for a factually correct statement to be misleading, there is nothing worth discussing here.
 

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While I ultimately feel they are probably better off without WoW and other Blizzard games...

Trade sanctions are fucking stupid. They just strengthen a regime and have not ever resulted in people rising up to overthrow the government that is technically oppressing/causing their problem. The offending government is the last thing affected by sanctions. The people are the first. That is why they don't work.

US Government: "We don't like that regime, institute trade sanctions"
Iranian People: "Oh my, we're starving, what will we do?!?!"
Iranian Government: "We'll protect you. It's the US government's fault you are starving! Support us in whatever we do and we will do our best to provide food to you."
Iranian People: "OK, seeing as how we have no other choice besides starvation and desolation."
US Government: "I know it doesn't work, but I'm just gonna keep trying this anyway.... why doesn't this work?"

On a more serious note, Johann Norberg goes into large amounts of detail why these do not work in several of his published works. All of which I have read, just so people don't think I'm blowing off at the mouth here. Especially since there are people who will no doubt actually defend such things.