Blizzard is "Definitely Listening" to Real ID Feedback

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Osirisgod16 said:
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Is it just me, or does their "listening" and response to complaints sound a lot like the proverbial French princess who said of her subjects, "Let them eat cake!" ?
First of all, Marie Antionette was Austrian.
Second, "Let them eat cake" was propaganda from the French public towards (what they saw as) an overly extravagant useless queen.

And going back to the subject at hand for Third, Like John is saying this is their business, they can do what they want. They aren't forcing you to buy and play their games, hell I've never played WoW or Starcraft in my life. I promise this isn't the level of the French revolution.
First, I didn't say anything about Marie Antoinette. The quote is often misattributed to her, but she didn't say it. Exactly who, if anyone, actually said it is a matter of debate. Look it up. In any case, it's not the source of the centuries-old statement that matters, it's the meaning.

Second, what's your point? If you're saying Activision is behaving like an overly extravagant useless queen, then I agree with you. If you're trying to discredit the analogy by questioning the source, then see point one.

Third, I only made a single comparison: Activision's response to their subscribers, and the fabled French princess's response to her subjects. If you choose to extend that beyond to include more context, as with any analogy, sure, you will find a point where it's not an exact correlation. I'm not saying WoW is anything like the French Revolution, or that Azeroth is like Europe, or any other strawman you choose to set up. No, people aren't starving and dying from Activision's mismanagement, but they're listening to complaints about as well.
 

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Baron Khaine said:
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Donnyp said:
I think this is hilarious. Imagine a troll decides to call someone names and insult them for no reason and is stupid enough to use their real name. Someone Finds em on facebook and laughs at them for being such a tool. when the troll realizes what happened its to late hes labeled lol.
And I think you are completely missing the point. Trolls will have fake names. The only people that will be affected are the unfortunate souls that beat the wrong guy in pvp, have him look up their forum posts which have their name on it, type it into pipl.com and set off with a knife. Kind of like the guy who got seriously injured in an attempted murder about counterstrike.
My name is Thomas Shaw. Find out where I live.

Cos I really wanna see if this works.
Good job on having an utterly generic english first name combined with an also generic last name in the same language. Unlike you, the only result that shows up when i type in my own is me.
 

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John Funk said:
Treblaine said:
John Funk said:
Treblaine said:
Publicising real names and identities just seems to be inviting vigilante justice. People are asshats on XBL because they are immature and detached from any immediate threat. But is it REALLY any solution to replace that with actual threats like "I know where you live Timmy McKormack".

Public Anonymity is VITAL for good online community along with good moderation of warnings, probation, bans, perma-bans and so on.
If the person making the threat is doing so with THEIR real name attached to it, that's a very serious deterrent. It goes both ways, mind you - the MAD of the internet.

I don't think it is. Look at GI.biz - it's an industry site and requires credentials. You post under your name and position. There isn't as MUCH communication but it's pretty much all reasoned and polite. On the other end of the spectrum, we have 4chan.

As I said, I'm very heavily divided on the RealID issue. I'm not entirely sure what I think of it, but anyone who refuses to acknowledge that there are both pros and cons to it is willfully blinding themselves.
Brave attempt, you are arguing your corner with spirit but it's a lame defence because you are defending the indefensible. I suggest you change your plea to Guilty and save the court of public opinion a lot of time and hope for clemency (i.e. argue that people should merely not use the service rather than something more serious).

Mutually assured destruction is a TERRIBLE template, it is utter madness. Of course there are SOME benefits, there are benefits to being paralysed from the waist down (great parking) but nothing you'd wish on anyone.

(Also, GI.Biz: you only post what you want, and is not linked to anything else (gaming tag) but your business credentials and is of course a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT environment from a games forum)
Bullshit, I am defending the completely defensible (not actually, just admitting my opinions are divided because I can see pros and cons - is that 'defending' these days?), because as you seem to have forgotten it is their forum and their rules. This is like a dress code at a restaurant: If you want to wear shorts and flipflops, you can get the food to go, you just can't sit down and eat. They can set whatever rules they goddamn want. If we made it so that everyone posting had to have an avatar praising Barack Obama, and barred everyone else, that would be our prerogative and everybody else would be perfectly free to go elsewhere.

As I said, anyone who refuses to believe that there could be positives to this, or who refuses to believes that there could be negatives to this, is willfully deluding themselves one way or another and has some sort of an agenda to push.

I fail to see how it is a completely different environment. It is an environment for people to discuss game-related issues, and I use it as a source for news posts here somewhat often.

I don't want to get into all of my arguments right now (for and against) because it's monday's column but really. Let's rein in the raging hyperbole and look at this seriously and rationally. This doesn't just go for you, but for everyone.
I love how on this matter, you're so willing to see reasonable argument about both sides of an issue, yet file sharing is an unequivocal negative and those who perpetrate it are millstones around the neck of the gaming industry :p

As for your argument, well, you can say that of everything. There are positive outcomes in a tyrannical Dictatorship just as there are negatives, but generally people can decide whether one outweighs the other, or if you can achieve the positive aspects through other means. The only real positive that can be argued is that the lack of anonymity could potentially lead to a lessening of offensive content on the forums.

Leaving aside the issues with that position which others have pointed out, can we not achieve the same outcome with a universal yet still anonymous moniker, combined with rigorous moderation techniques? And further, can the positive(potentially less vile crap) outweigh the negative(potentially exposing people to real life violence and harassment)? Frankly I don't think so, and no argument you've made has persuaded me otherwise.

As for your analogy, you got one thing correct; it's their business, and they can do what they like. However, your restaurant dresscode comparison doesn't quite work, because Blizzard provide a service which consists of several parts, each of which is interdependent. It would be better to equate Blizzard's RealID policy with a nightclub allowing anyone to enter the establishment, but having a dresscode in order to access the VIP room.

Even with that favourable restructuring, it doesn't hold water, because as many have pointed out the forums are an integral part of the user experience in WoW, and provide functionality that is required to play the game, but not included within it. Tech support is heavily reliant on the forums, as is the ability to find a Guild tailored to your specific playstyle, as is the ability for Guilds to find others who share their ethos. It's also the only viable avenue for feedback for players who are excited or dissapointed by a new feature.

Finally, you completely leave out Game Hunters' article(linked below, I fail at HTML) which quite clearly reveals that the motivation behind this system has little to do with providing users with a better forum experience, and instead is a cynical attempt to wring more money out of the user by the publisher, possibly with the support of the developer(I'll wait to pass judgement on them until the veracity of earlier quoted statements about their unhappiness are verified or otherwise).

So, in short, we have a system which has a single positive aspect, which could potentially be achieved through other means, and accompanied by multiple negatives which will either lack any tangible benefit for the user, or indeed potentially expose them to real world physical or emotional harm. Do Blizzard have the right to implement this system? Of course. Are they right to though? I don't think so, and I've not seen anyone, least of all Blizzard themselves, put forward a valid argument to that effect.

I just hope this idea doesn't spread to other games.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/blizzard-and-facebooks-friendly-social-networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1
 

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Mantonio said:
Rednog said:
Sylveria said:
Andy Chalk said:
The outrage that greeted Blizzard's decision to "Battle.net [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101916-Blizzard-Forums-Make-Real-Names-Mandatory] forums was entirely predictable. It's not nearly as easy to act like a jerk, after all, when you're not protected by an impenetrable cloak of virtual invisibility. Which is obviously the whole point of the exercise, but the impending loss of their secret identities has an awful lot of gamers up in arms.
Yeah, its cause I can't act like a jerk. That is totally why I don't want some psycho on WoW knowing my real name and from that being able to basically hunt me down. And this will absolutely work. I couldn't make my "Real" name Jim Smith or something else that is extraordinarily common and be a total dick on the forums anyway. No, this just makes responsible people uneasy to post on the forums for fear that some psychopath will disagree and stalk/kill/rape them.

I quit WoW a while ago but if I had seen this as an existing player, I'd cancel my account the next day. As it is I won't be getting Starcraft 2 cause 1. They're fucking it up. and 2. It'll have the same battle.net stalker risk that WoW is gonna have.

So yeah, congrats Blizz, you've found the perfect way to control your community by making everyone fear for their safety and privacy so they don't say anything publicly.
How does this affect you purchasing Starcraft II?
Did you not bother to read the information? It is regarding being on the forums, I've been playing wow since it came out and I dabbled in the forums for a bit and then one realizes that they are nothing more than a cesspool of epeens. I haven't been back to the forums in like 2 years and it hasn't affected me playing the games at all. You don't want your name out there, don't go to the forums, or if you absolutely have to don't give anyone a reason to hunt you down. Problem solved. It's not like you're gonna log into the game and you have to play under your real name.
At the moment I feel like that character from Network, yelling about how we accept the fact that our space gets smaller and smaller, and how we should stop it.

Lookee here.

http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wowriot+%28Latest+Wowriot+Blog+Posts+-+Wowriot.Gameriot.com%29&gr_i_ni

Also here.

http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

It's easy to find information about people. Type your name and country into pipl.com or Spokeo.come if you don't believe me. And why should we just stop going to the forums? And why is it our fault if someone targets us? It just reeks of blaming the victim.

So what if they've ruined the forums? Just don't go there!
So what if they've ruined half of the game? Just don't use that half!
A guy found your telephone number and is harassing you? It must have been your fault!

You're forgetting that malevolent people EXIST, and are far more common that you'd like to think. You want a recent example: a guy in Germany hunted down and stabbed a guy who had six months previously killed him in Counter Strike! Crazies EXIST, and with a little time and a little money they can easily get your details.

Not even mentioning the fact that Potential Employers could easily find out about you with this, and they have been told in the past to not hire WoW players!

The really obnoxious thing is, after that fiasco with the Blizzard Mod having all his details found out (top link I posted) Blizzard have made it so GMs, CMs and Moderators no longer have to reveal their first names. Now doesn't that just make your blood boil? THEY can keep their privacy but WE, the lowly consumer, must have our names spread for all to see!
I was gonna respond but Mantonio basically did it for me. This is totally blaming the victim. I shouldn't have to fear going to the forums, I shouldn't have to fear commenting on a topic. The forums shouldn't be the scary part of the city where if you don't want to risk being attacked, don't go there.

And even beyond that. What if I do have big brass ones and I post on the forums anyway, not even something malicious. I just post saying "Hey WB soandso!" or a looking for guild add? And suppose I curb stomp someone in PVP, or win a roll, or take a mob, or damn near anything? If I made one single solitary forum post ever, I risk recourse from nut job cause I offended him in some fashion or his buddies saw him get ganked by a girl and he has to reclaim his honor or some shit (and yes, that kind of crap can happen)

Also, you say that if I play SC, my real name wont show.. yes.. for now. What happens if this forum stuff works? Hell they made decide to just put everyone's real name up at all times since then no one would dare try anything offensive since it was so successful on the forums. But no, this isn't the main thing pushing me off of SC. The main thing is how they're gouging the shit out of us and making a POS game.
 

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I think this is wrong, for two reasons:

1.) It's not going to reduce trolling
2.) There are deranged people on the internet, and I don't necessarily want them knowing my real name, with which they can find my real address!
 

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danpascooch said:
I think this is wrong, for two reasons:

1.) It's not going to reduce trolling
2.) There are deranged people on the internet, and I don't necessarily want them knowing my real name, with which they can find my real address!
You do realize Blizzard already went back on this idea, right?
 

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UltimatheChosen said:
danpascooch said:
I think this is wrong, for two reasons:

1.) It's not going to reduce trolling
2.) There are deranged people on the internet, and I don't necessarily want them knowing my real name, with which they can find my real address!
You do realize Blizzard already went back on this idea, right?
wait, what?
 

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danpascooch said:
UltimatheChosen said:
danpascooch said:
I think this is wrong, for two reasons:

1.) It's not going to reduce trolling
2.) There are deranged people on the internet, and I don't necessarily want them knowing my real name, with which they can find my real address!
You do realize Blizzard already went back on this idea, right?
wait, what?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101979-Blizzard-Nixes-Plans-to-Require-Real-Names