Bookies Call It For Modern Warfare 3

[The Lunatic]

And this is the sad state of the industry today.

Quality? Fuck that, it's all about profit.

 

[Andronicus]

So now sales = quality?

Jesus non-existent Christ...

Have you thought that by 'game of the year' the betting service means best selling game of the year. A game of the year claim is given out by an insane amount of publications, and without naming a specific publication, there is no objective way of deciding which is game of the year. This is a betting service, they need objective, solid results that can be quantified and measured against one another. Sales number is a perfectly acceptable way to do this.

Of course, I could be mistaken and they could mean some specific publication or whatever that isn't listed in the article. In which case I'll give you a preemptive 'sorry, my bad'.

This.

Firstly, I can't believe everybody is getting all up in arms about the opinion of a betting service. As if anybody is going to think this would be relevant in the industry at all, regardless of what measure they use to gauge 'quality' in videogames.

Secondly, Bobic is absolutely right. They need to keep their measure of 'quality' as objective as possible to make the bet seem fair. Imagine if they took one publication's "Game of the Year" as the winner, and a whole bunch of others gave the title to somebody else? There'd be a complete uproar, litigations all round. They state that they gauge quality based on figures from a sales tracking site (http://www.chart-track.co.uk/), and this is as objective a measure as they could possible hope to achieve.

No, sales do NOT mean quality, but quality is an extremely subjective concept, as anybody who knows anything at all about the games industry will be able to tell you. Statistically speaking, sales do the best job of indicating where the quality in games lie.

On that note, Skyrim for GOTY.

EDIT: I should note that the only other measure I can imagine would be relevant would be Metacritic, but even then a lot of people disagree with Metacritic anyway. Besides, seeing as they're using a UK-based tracking service, it's likely they want to keep it as relevant to the UK population as possible.

 

[DRTJR]

In my Extremely biased opinion LoZ: Skyward sword will be my GotY, But still I hated MW2 so not going to pick up MW3 period.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

C'mon people! We can still beat the CoD machine, ALL HAIL SKYRIM!

(I'm getting both.)

 

[FamoFunk]

I love CoD, but the GoTY for me is Portal 2, it feels slightly forgotten by people because it came out way back in April.

You think its better than Skyrim? Just asking...

Well for one, Skyrim isn't even out yet and 2, I didn't like Oblivion or games like that.

 

[])rStrangelove]

If these news are true (never trust a statistic you havent tuned yourself) then GOTY has nothing to do with quality it seems.

 

[Laser Priest]

Spoiler: Spoiler'd for the fact that the video thumbnail is ass.

This accurately describes Call of Duty.

Activision is making a killing on the same game they started selling several years ago.

 

[tzimize]

You guys are just bitter because MW3 is so damn awesome.

If this isnt trolling I dont know what is.

OT: :| This thread sucks balls.

 

[-Samurai-]

I never thought I'd see soo many people be soo butthurt over something we all knew 6 months ago.

I somehow doubt that any of your lives are destroyed by this. Move on.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

To all of the people in this thread slating MW3: Are you slating it because you've played it and don't like it, or because you're just voicing an uninformed opinion based purely on ignorance and bias?

Yeah, OK, the story now resides at the far end of cuckoo town, but the actual gameplay mechanics are crisp and well polished. From a technical standpoint the CoD series has had a solid engine for years, why do you think it has only received version updates rather than total overhauls? And before anyone thinks of arguing with me, if I look at your profile will I see a Steam account with TF2 on it? The game that set the trend for never using a new engine and only issuing updates? 'Cause if I do...

 

[Electrogecko]

You paint a very pretty picture of the scenario.

Even if we assume that CoD is a good introductory game, (which I completely disagree with- I don't think a person's first console experience should require simultaneously using two analog sticks) I don't think the majority of people playing it see it that way, (in fact, I think most of them see it as the "end all be all" of games) and even if they did, I don't think very many of them are being lead anywhere "completely different" afterward. When a game gets a Jeep edition every year, 3 minute long commercials, and consistently shatters sales records, I think the general public kind of assumes that it's the best that the industry can offer at the time, and I think fans of the game tend to follow similar logic. Keep in mind that most of these people are not nearly as video game savvy as me, you, or anyone on this site for that matter.

That's part of what frustrates me- the fact that those who don't know better are essentially being brainwashed- that for so many, the only way their lives are affected by video games at all is through exposure to a game that I consider to be "meh." Without even considering it's violent nature or the associations that the game has picked up over the years, is this really what we want to be the flagship game for the industry? Well too bad, because it is.

Why does the majority matter?

There are still a lot of games being made that are nothing like CoD. It's not like it's influencing the industry outside of the FPS genre. And there's still a market for more hardcore FPS'. Probably more so now as a reaction to CoD and it's popularity.

And I know for a fact that CoD is a good introductory game. Obviously most people who play it are only interested in that, and probably the sports game that's popular in whichever country you're in.

But so what? To those who are interested in the medium itself, and not just the popular titles. It gives an easily accessible door. Like I said, I know a lot of people who started on CoD. And they're as tired of it now as I am. So they've gone on to newer and different things.

People enjoying a game doesn't effect you.

Stop hating things simply because of how popular they are. If you don't like the game just don't buy it. That's it, there's nothing more to it. You can't be annoyed that other people enjoy it. That's just dickish.

I'm fairly certain you just completely misinterpreted my argument. I never said I hate CoD or even dislike it, (I won't deny that it's a genuinely good game) and I certainly don't hate things "because of how popular they are." If I did, I couldn't be a Nintendo fan. What DOES bug me though, is how CoD is the ONE game of this generation that has completely blown up......the ONE that more people have played than any other by a landslide and is synonymous with the term "gamer" to the general public. These sales figures.....they're absolutely ridiculous, and if you tell me a little part of you doesn't wish that YOUR favorite game (or any title at all that you think is more deserving) got that kind of recognition, I'd be pretty sure you were lying, or at least reserving your true feelings out of fear of intolerance.

I'm not annoyed that other people enjoy it. I want everyone who spends 60$ on a game to enjoy it as much as possible. But this resentment that I have- this wishing that people would play something with a more fulfilling single player experience- I don't have it because I'm "dickish." If I didn't care about the perfect stranger, I wouldn't give a shit about what they spend their time and money on. But as it is, I DO care. I want people to have the same heart-wrenchingly amazing experiences that games like Zelda, Banjo-Kazooie, and Metroid Prime have provided me in the past and games like Arkham Asylum, Portal, and Bioshock continue to provide me today, and I'm sincerely calling into question whether CoD can provide that experience.

I've been called a fanboy, elitist, hater, flamer, troll, etc. but all I'm really doing is speaking (or typing) my mind, and nobody should ever be criticized for doing that. Whether you honestly think that CoD is an abomination unto mankind or the greatest piece of entertainment to ever appear on earth, you should be able to try to express why you feel that way without having such negative terms thrown at you by an overzealous community.

 

[Electrogecko]

Apparently, I double posted a huge wall of text.

Sorry for that

 

[Electrogecko]

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I agree with just about everything you just said, but I still have a problem with CoD "introducing people to gaming." When I think back to the first games I remember playing, (I've been playing them for longer than I remember) I think of Super Mario World, Super Adventure Island 2, Kirby Superstar, Turtles in Time, Megaman X, etc.

Can you think of any difference between these games and CoD? I'm not even talking about how all these games are fantastical, colorful, and inspire creativity and imagination. I'm talking about the obvious FACT that these games are rated E and CoD is rated M.

 

[Electrogecko]

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I agree with just about everything you just said, but I still have a problem with CoD "introducing people to gaming." When I think back to the first games I remember playing, (I've been playing them for longer than I remember) I think of Super Mario World, Super Adventure Island 2, Kirby Superstar, Turtles in Time, Megaman X, etc.

Can you think of any difference between these games and CoD? I'm not even talking about how all these games are fantastical, colorful, and inspire creativity and imagination. I'm talking about the obvious FACT that these games are rated E and CoD is rated M.

But that in of itself is a barrier to the older generations.

They'd feel as though they're playing a game meant for children. Whereas playing a simple, yet mature rated game tells them that what they're doing isn't exclusively a child's activity.

That's what makes CoD a good intro to gaming for adults? That it caters to their insecurities? I don't buy that....I had higher hopes for humanity.

I believe that 99% of kids nowadays are introduced to gaming at a very early age. Where I come from, pathetic as it may be, kids may own an iPhone/Android/whatever smartphone before they even hit their teens. Gaming is only going to become more and more ingrained into our society over time. Similar to the way a child's first TV show/movie is often shown to them before they could even speak, gaming will be introduced at a very early age, and if somebody somehow managed to not gain any experience with a real gaming platform until their teen years, I would still argue that CoD isn't nearly the best introductory title for them.

We've officially gone off on a tangent here and I've lost my desire to continue this debate. I don't think I'll be responding again unless you say something that I find truly outrageous. Nice talking. Godspeed.