Borderlands 1 on the PC and Securom, A Predicament I've Found Myself In and Really Need Your Help On

V da Mighty Taco

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Last year during the summer sale, I bought the first Borderlands for PC. It was the Ultimate edition at that, and came with all 4 of the expansion packs. After reading the TOS sometime last year after installing it (yes, I read those), I discovered that there was DRM in the game that was not mentioned on the Steam page at all when I bought the game (still isn't, btw) and whisked myself away to Google to learn all I could about it.

My adventures there lead me to discover that the dreaded Securom that I've heard so much yet knew so little about installed with the game and was already on my laptop, yet remained dormant and inactive until I ventured into one of two specific DLC areas that could otherwise be easily avoided in the game (the other two DLC areas would be fine). It was also a complicated task to remove from what I've seen, so I said fuck it and didn't bother with that. At this point, it was most likely too late to try to get a refund for the game as it was at least several months later and I avoided actually playing the game while trying to figure out what to do.

Well, about a month ago and many months after the above happened, I sent my PC in for repairs and they ended up having to completely wipe the hard-drive after backing up a select few folders and reinstalled Windows 7 afterwards. Almost all my gaming content was lost because of this and Securom was most definitely cleared as well (My epic New Vegas rebalance mod that I spent so much time on was lost as well T-T. I still have my notes though!).

After getting my laptop back, I was looking back on my Steam library and reinstalling all my games that I cared about again and I still noticed Borderlands sitting there faded out like all uninstalled games and I'm back to this same old dilemma again, but this time with the option of never having Securom on my system on the table as I haven't redownloaded it since the hard-drive wipe.

The answer may seem obvious - don't reinstall the game and move on - but upon rethinking this over again, I find myself coming back to some of the same issues that bothered me back when I debated this topic the first time around. First off, I've already spent money on this. Gearbox has my money for this game, and I doubt I'm ever going to get it back (it's at least 9 months later). Secondly, Gearbox removed the DRM entirely for Borderlands 2, so they've already learned their lesson on this particular topic and thus not playing the game doesn't seem like it would make much of a statement to anybody, especially the guys who already have my money. There's also the point of the DRM being inactive until those specific DLCs sections are visited, which I can avoid and thus never actually activate. This point in particular I've had numerous forums explain to me (I even think I had a previous thread here on the Escapist asking about this as well, with the same explanation happening), so I've got good reason to believe that it's true. Finally, I don't quite remember just how bad Borderlands 1's version of Securom was and how privacy invading it was. Keep in mind that I'm the type who refuses to use Punkbuster because their TOS explicitly stating that it can be considered invading your privacy (found that out during one of the Red Orchestra 2 free weekends) and I don't use that Facebook account that somebody once made for me because of it's infamous privacy issues. However, I do use Steam obviously and do consider it's TOS fine. That should give you a rough idea of what I consider acceptable, so with that in mind those of you more knowledgeable on BL1's Securom (which I understand is different from what it was back in the Spore days) will have a good idea of whether I would consider it acceptable or not.

With all that in mind, what would you - my fellow Escapists - say I should do about this? I got a game that I would like to play and already spent money on, yet am pretty serious on privacy issues and the thought of Securom on my system makes me uncomfortable. Still, not playing the game over an inactive DRM that the devs abandoned after said game seems like a pretty pointless endeavour, and I tolerate Steam even though it's also a DRM. Hopefully, you fine ladies and gentlemen (and Daystar. BUUURN!!! >:p [footnote]Plz don't ban me for that, mods. 'Tis a joke.[/footnote]) can help me decide on this subject that has troubled me for so long. A poll is going up for you lurker types (I can relate there), and thank you all for the help.
 

V da Mighty Taco

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Out of curiosity, does this kind of thread belong in Gaming Discussion or Advice? Yeah, I know that this is a bit of a bump but I'm genuinely curious about this before I make another similar thread in the wrong forum again, if it in fact is in the wrong forum.
 

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If dead DRM on a single game is your only privacy/security concern, friend, I'd say you're a hell of a lot better off than everyone else. Go ahead and install that shit, if you like the game. I mean, like you said, you already have Steam, and god knows what other software that's watching whatever's going on with your computer, so I doubt it's going to do much more!
 

V da Mighty Taco

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Pandaman1911 said:
If dead DRM on a single game is your only privacy/security concern, friend, I'd say you're a hell of a lot better off than everyone else. Go ahead and install that shit, if you like the game. I mean, like you said, you already have Steam, and god knows what other software that's watching whatever's going on with your computer, so I doubt it's going to do much more!
I'm actually very skeptical on what I let on my PC and what I agree to. It's why I almost always read the ToS on absolutely everything, even if it's ridiculously long. I guess you could say I'm a bit of the paranoid type when it comes to privacy. :p

Still, others like yourself might know much more about BL1's DRM than I would (like if it's worse than Steam or not), so thanks for the advice. :)
 

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I'd say just go for it. It's a pretty fun game, so beat it then uninstall. Worst that can happen is you enjoy yourself.
 

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I'd say just go for it. It's a pretty fun game, so beat it then uninstall. Worst that can happen is you enjoy yourself.
Uninstall and then manually remove all the leftover crap... the game is worth being played or at least having been played. If you're using legally obtained software, circumvention measures are part of the what came in the bag. Law (new and old) prevents you from legally circumventing copyright-protecting measures, no matter the purpose.

I used to not mind much until SecuROM and StarForce really started to become threats to my gaming rig's system integrity. Ever since then, I have not installed a single game with 'added content'. I got BioShock with the lovely, but shoddily painted-by-slaves figurine. I loved the game, the ride, the experience. But I would never have agreed to either installing known malware on my system or having to 'activate' my legally bought game online. They got it all ass-backwards, and it's gotten way worse ever since, culminating in the quite recent Sim City. I love me some Sim City, but that game has been raped right out of its beautiful mind.
 

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Tara Callie said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Install the game.
Get the crack from SKIDROW/Reloaded/Any crack used by pirates can be used in a legally installed game without any criminal issues, as files on your hard drive are yours to do with what you will.
Remove SecuROM (the delicious irony is that the removal tool is made by the people who made SecuROM in the first place) https://support.securom.com/removaltool.html
No offense, but circumventing copyright-protection in an unauthorized manner - which this seems to be - is illegal even if you own a legitimate copy, plus I'm not fond of using torrents. However, I'd be all over using SecuROM's removal tool (so long as there's no funny business involved with that) if I could still play BL1 even with it removed. I get the feeling Steam would reinstall it, however.

Thanks for the advice, btw!
 

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I also discovered that Borderlands still had SecuROM, my question is, how bad is it, I know that certain games have a severity associated with them, i have had no problems with my own pc since i have been playing it. So I wonder how bad this instance is.
 

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Tara Callie said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Tara Callie said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Install the game.
Get the crack from SKIDROW/Reloaded/Any crack used by pirates can be used in a legally installed game without any criminal issues, as files on your hard drive are yours to do with what you will.
Remove SecuROM (the delicious irony is that the removal tool is made by the people who made SecuROM in the first place) https://support.securom.com/removaltool.html
No offense, but circumventing copyright-protection in an unauthorized manner - which this seems to be - is illegal even if you own a legitimate copy, plus I'm not fond of using torrents. However, I'd be all over using SecuROM's removal tool (so long as there's no funny business involved with that) if I could still play BL1 even with it removed. I get the feeling Steam would reinstall it, however.

Thanks for the advice, btw!
Well that's what you need the crack for. Without SecuROM to store the authorization data, the game won't work. This stuff is built into the game and needs to be circumvented to work without it. The crack would also apply a NoSteam patch.

Where I live (Canada) a person has full right over the data on their own hard drive. Providing the game wasn't acquired legally, applying a 5MB crack to a game on your hard drive is perfectly legal here. I even had Origin tech support tell me "As long as it's at least registered, we don't care if you crack it."
Except I'm in the good ol' USA, where your ass will be beaten with a rusty spork if you do so much as look at a torrent. :p

Exaggeration aside, it's very illegal here and I'm not up for taking the risk of dragging the people I live with into that kind of potential mess. You know, after being the source of ze poniez and apparently having more sensible copyright laws then us (get it? US?), I should probably cut back on my Canada jokes even more.
 

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I played the game for years and forgot up until now that it had it. I say go for it, because you won't notice anything happen to your PC other than the pure, blissful fun pouring out from the screen. And I'm not saying that because you'll be distracted, I'm saying that because that is all that will happen.
 

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I say no, don't waste your time with a terrible port. Learn your lesson and walk away. BL1 is a shitty product from a company that haven't done anything good since Brothers in Arms.
 

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I'd like to say that you can avoid this dilemma entirely by somehow acquiring the game somewhere DRM free. Don't ask me how you'd go about doing that, but it is a possibility.
 

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I don't feel you would really be missing out if you had not played borderlands one but you might miss out on a few jokes aimed at players who had played the first game.
 

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Every time you use steam, not in offline mode, you revalidate the key with EA servers anyway. Securom is just another layer of DRM to be honest, its no worse or better than steam itself. If you have problem with DRM don't use steam, wait to buy it on GOG but you will have to wait at least 6 years or so for a AAA game to get to GOG.
 

V da Mighty Taco

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albino boo said:
Every time you use steam, not in offline mode, you revalidate the key with EA servers anyway. Securom is just another layer of DRM to be honest, its no worse or better than steam itself. If you have problem with DRM don't use steam, wait to buy it on GOG but you will have to wait at least 6 years or so for a AAA game to get to GOG.
My question is how SecuROM compares to the likes of Steam. Steam is tolerable for me, but I don't know if SecuROM crosses the line or not in terms of privacy (especially while inactive), hence why this thread exists.

Thanks for the tips!

octafish said:
I say no, don't waste your time with a terrible port. Learn your lesson and walk away. BL1 is a shitty product from a company that haven't done anything good since Brothers in Arms.
Is that an issue with Borderlands as a whole or the PC port in particular?

Arakasi said:
I'd like to say that you can avoid this dilemma entirely by somehow acquiring the game somewhere DRM free. Don't ask me how you'd go about doing that, but it is a possibility.
Wink wink nudge nudge, eh? Unfortunately, that option's off the table due to my posts from earlier.
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
albino boo said:
Every time you use steam, not in offline mode, you revalidate the key with EA servers anyway. Securom is just another layer of DRM to be honest, its no worse or better than steam itself. If you have problem with DRM don't use steam, wait to buy it on GOG but you will have to wait at least 6 years or so for a AAA game to get to GOG.
My question is how SecuROM compares to the likes of Steam. Steam is tolerable for me, but I don't know if SecuROM crosses the line or not in terms of privacy (especially while inactive), hence why this thread exists.

Thanks for the tips!
All securom does is limit the numbers of installs using that key. In windows terms you can't install on multiple PC's (don't know how many) without a manual reset of the counter. The revoke tool is available here https://support.securom.com/pop_borderlands.html . Securom only records hardware setup and is probably no more invasive than steam. To be honest, its not a big deal. Securom is one of those things that is fashionable to hate on. Its mildly annoying if regularly upgrade major parts of your hardware but beyond that it's painless.
 

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A whole post and not a short one to discuss the DRM on a game that is over 3 years old and to my knowledge had ZERO people reporting issues with the DRM system?

30 seconds with google and you get this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
To sum it up, Securom is no less invasive than Steam in fact unlike Steam it doesn't collect data on your system. Not really sure this was worth a post of this length?

Also if you're so picky about what you allow on your system why did you allow someone to reinstall Windows on your system without doing a decent backup first?