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I just realized that The Gamers™️ are worried that the Socialist SJWs are going to infest the Socialist Chinese game with their Western Socialist SJW values and I need to go lie down for a bit.
I'm trying to do the math in my head and it doesn't work at all. Maybe it requires advanced Calculus? I never was very good at that. :rolleyes:

Then again, it's hard to read SJW used as a prejative in any kind of serious manner without my eyes glazing over due to how vapid the term seems to be to that might have something to do with it.
 
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Then again, it's hard to read SJW used as a prejative in any kind of serious manner without my eyes glazing over due to how vapid the term seems to be to that might have something to do with it.
For what it's worth, I'm not fond of either the term "SJW" or "SQW," but I feel that both have some use in describing certain types of people and/or certain types of ideas.

I'm going to use the example of Ghostbusters 2016, but really, it could be applied to almost any media within the last half-decade or so. So, using that film as an example:

-SJWs: It's great that this film features women who've been severely under-represented. You have to see this film in the name of feminism. If you don't like it, you're a sexist, and if the film fails, it's because of sexism.

-SQWs: This is forced diversity and pandering that exists to proliferate the feminist agenda. They've hijacked a male franchise and handed it off to feminists. Don't see this movie, because we have to send a message that cultural hijacking won't be tolerated.

You may think I'm strawmanning, but it's basically an amalgamation of the types of attitudes and behaviours that have been on the Internet since...well, at least Gamergate, really. And really, I have no time for either group. I have no time for the YouTubers who spend hours a day pointing out "the feminist agenda" and feigning outrage, but I don't have time for people who claim racism/sexism everywhere and virtue signalling either. There's a happy medium in evaluating media that doesn't require going to either extreme.
 
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For what it's worth, I'm not fond of either the term "SJW" or "SQW," but I feel that both have some use in describing certain types of people and/or certain types of ideas.

I'm going to use the example of Ghostbusters 2016, but really, it could be applied to almost any media within the last half-decade or so. So, using that film as an example:

-SJWs: It's great that this film features women who've been severely under-represented. You have to see this film in the name of feminism. If you don't like it, you're a sexist, and if the film fails, it's because of sexism.

-SQWs: This is forced diversity and pandering that exists to proliferate the feminist agenda. They've hijacked a male franchise and handed it off to feminists. Don't see this movie, because we have to send a message that cultural hijacking won't be tolerated.

You may think I'm strawmanning, but it's basically an amalgamation of the types of attitudes and behaviours that have been on the Internet since...well, at least Gamergate, really. And really, I have no time for either group. I have no time for the YouTubers who spend hours a day pointing out "the feminist agenda" and feigning outrage, but I don't have time for people who claim racism/sexism everywhere and virtue signalling either. There's a happy medium in evaluating media that doesn't require going to either extreme.
My position:
"What the fuck are people on it makes you sexist if you don't like the trailer the trailer wasn't funny and what's all this first female Ghostbusters nonsense people are peddling and on about how you've claimed the franchise from the Toxic manbabies? Do people not remember Kylie Griffin?"
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It's kinda weird to me there is very much a faction who are all about trying to "Claim" media as theirs and yes you could argue there are groups on both sides doing it but generally the narrative tends to be how the olds fans are toxic and unneeded as the new people coming in are somehow "fixing" the franchise or something often without realising the problems they claim to be coming in to "Fix" weren't problems anymore most of the time.

I mean the way things are going I half expect if they do bring Mara Jade into the present Star Wars canon they'll just suddenly make Luke a wife beater or something.
 

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Undoubtedly there are plenty of reasons that one can dislike the film without being a sexist, and there were insintuations that if you didn't like it, you WERE sexist (see the backlash against James Rolfe for instance).

However, the cast absolutely received sexist abuse, and in the case of Leslie Jones, racist as well. Even if Ghostbusters 2016 was the worst film in the history of ever, nothing justifies the abuse of cast and crew under any circumstances. NOTHING. It's part of why I dislike RLM's reviews of the Star Wars prequels because while the prequels have plenty of flaws, they're so mean-spirited against Lucas. Okay, sure, he made a flawed trilogy, he didn't "rape your childhood" you twats. Basically, "attack the product, not the person" is my mantra.

As for Kylie and X-Treme Ghostbusters, that made me even more confused when people were arguing about the series being rebooted/retconned. I'm not a big Ghostbusters fan, but even I'm aware that the series effectively split after the first film, one branch going into cartoons (Ghostbusters, then Extreme Ghostbusters), and another going to Ghostbusters 2 and then, the videogame. So, what, a third timeline is too much?
 

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Undoubtedly there are plenty of reasons that one can dislike the film without being a sexist, and there were insintuations that if you didn't like it, you WERE sexist (see the backlash against James Rolfe for instance).

However, the cast absolutely received sexist abuse, and in the case of Leslie Jones, racist as well. Even if Ghostbusters 2016 was the worst film in the history of ever, nothing justifies the abuse of cast and crew under any circumstances.
Thank you.

It's part of why I dislike RLM's reviews of the Star Wars prequels because while the prequels have plenty of flaws, they're so mean-spirited against Lucas. Okay, sure, he made a flawed trilogy, he didn't "rape your childhood" you twats. Basically, "attack the product, not the person" is my mantra.
RLM are all just know-nothing-know-it-all douche-bags that act like they're the smartest people in the world or in film criticism. When you start dissing Escape From New York for not being a "self-aware" action film, you know you have your head up your ass. Not every film has to be Deadpool you wanna be geniuses.

As for Kylie and X-Treme Ghostbusters, that made me even more confused when people were arguing about the series being rebooted/retconned. I'm not a big Ghostbusters fan, but even I'm aware that the series effectively split after the first film, one branch going into cartoons (Ghostbusters, then Extreme Ghostbusters), and another going to Ghostbusters 2 and then, the videogame. So, what, a third timeline is too much?
I agree with you, but I would have preferred an adaption of X-Treme Ghostbusters. Everyone in that show just connects and Kylie is awesome.
 

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Undoubtedly there are plenty of reasons that one can dislike the film without being a sexist, and there were insintuations that if you didn't like it, you WERE sexist (see the backlash against James Rolfe for instance).

However, the cast absolutely received sexist abuse, and in the case of Leslie Jones, racist as well. Even if Ghostbusters 2016 was the worst film in the history of ever, nothing justifies the abuse of cast and crew under any circumstances. NOTHING. It's part of why I dislike RLM's reviews of the Star Wars prequels because while the prequels have plenty of flaws, they're so mean-spirited against Lucas. Okay, sure, he made a flawed trilogy, he didn't "rape your childhood" you twats. Basically, "attack the product, not the person" is my mantra.

As for Kylie and X-Treme Ghostbusters, that made me even more confused when people were arguing about the series being rebooted/retconned. I'm not a big Ghostbusters fan, but even I'm aware that the series effectively split after the first film, one branch going into cartoons (Ghostbusters, then Extreme Ghostbusters), and another going to Ghostbusters 2 and then, the videogame. So, what, a third timeline is too much?
I won't say they didn't receive any sexist abuse. It's the internet and trolls will troll if they think it will get them attention and going after race or sex is an easy way to get attention. I will say though it was likely more giving a megaphone to a cricket and claiming all the insects making noise are therefore crickets in terms of how it actually went down though in an age where vagueness is often used to try and paints things a certain way through obfuscation. The James Rofle example being a great one for this as look at how many of the articles actually quoted anything he said as evidence vs how many just made stuff up or made insinuations with nothing supporting them.

I mean to use an example of this kind of thing backfiring Kotaku once wrote about the awful sexist backlash to female Overwatch pro with people claiming she wasn't real being just awful sexists who were wrong and all the evidence pointed towards her being real and she shouldn't have to prove she was real by actually appearing to play live in a tournament (as this was Overwatch and she was an Overwatch league hopeful she would have had to appear live to play the lans so I don't know how Kotaku was trying to justify that claim). Problem was said pro turned out not to be a woman playing but a guy who was known off in the pro scene but not high up in it playing while a female friend of his did lent her voice to the fictional pro by being the person on the mic. The people who suspected and had brought up evidence were right and Kotaku entirely wrong in the end but because Kotaku mostly refused to acknowledge the evidence and downplay it then it presented a certain picture of how things were going down. The strangest thing of all was Geguri a female aspiring pro player who had been doubted of being real before turned up to a tournament at one point and played a game live on stage to show she was real at one point to eliminate any doubt because not long before there had been a scandal in Hearthstone where a female pro player had turned out to be not actually the one playing her matches because she never played lan only online tournaments where she was the face on webcam while her boyfriend played the game.
 

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However, the cast absolutely received sexist abuse, and in the case of Leslie Jones, racist as well.
Honestly, even though I know this happened, the critique still falls completely on its ass for me. Leslie Jones is a good actress, and legitimately funny as hell. Two of the lily whitest, deadass bougie as fuck, limo liberals in Hollywood today wrote her character -- an adaptation of Zeddemore, the funniest character in the original movie -- as "generic sassy black woman" and proceeded to give her absolutely no material to work with. In fact, that wasn't just Jones, that was basically every actress in the movie.

Then all these people farting out their word-holes about how awful critics of the movie were, how sexist they are, and fart-fart-fart, without one fucking raised eyebrow over this. To wit, these people were generally the same ones lined up around the block furiously masturbating at the opportunity to lick Feig's stupid fucking meme socks.
 
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Honestly, even though I know this happened, the critique still falls completely on its ass for me. Leslie Jones is a good actress, and legitimately funny as hell. Two of the lily whitest, deadass bougie as fuck, limo liberals in Hollywood today wrote her character -- an adaptation of Zeddemore, the funniest character in the original movie -- as "generic sassy black woman" and proceeded to give her absolutely no material to work with. In fact, that wasn't just Jones, that was basically every actress in the movie.

Then all these people farting out their word-holes about how awful critics of the movie were, how sexist they are, and fart-fart-fart, without one fucking raised eyebrow over this. To wit, these people were generally the same ones lined up around the block furiously masturbating at the opportunity to lick Feig's stupid fucking meme socks.
I don't even know what you're trying to complain about here. Like, the point of the comment
 

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I don't even know what you're trying to complain about here. Like, the point of the comment
That the women were being used as shield by Hollywood writers and executives that greenlit that stuff to try and throw off blame when a lot of the blame was it just wasn't that well written or funny.

Hell far easier to push it was a big progressive milestone thing than admit they made Leslie Jones play what could be seen as an offensive stereotype character make people think supporting it was a political act in itself rather than stop and think that maybe it's the kind of thing they wouldn't normally be celebrating?